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To have asked him to choose a different sandwich

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Medsy · 30/03/2024 13:04

Don't know if it's because it's Easter or what but my local co-ops sandwich section was totally barren, only meat sandwiches left (I'm vegetarian). I saw a man go for the last cheese one there was, so I asked him if he was vegetarian and if not, would he mind if I had it? A woman (wife?) appeared and went batshit at me and called me rude.
It made me quite pissed off actually. I wouldn't have a problem with say a gluten free person asking me if they could have the last gluten free sandwich.
WIBU?

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ForestBather · 31/03/2024 09:02

Medsy · 31/03/2024 09:01

Reading this thread it's pretty clear to me now how we ended up with a brexit vote

Yes, not giving up a sandwich to meet your preferences definitely equates with a Brexit leave vote.

exerciseshmexercise · 31/03/2024 09:02

Medsy · 31/03/2024 09:01

Reading this thread it's pretty clear to me now how we ended up with a brexit vote

I voted remain fwiw.

Medsy · 31/03/2024 09:01

Reading this thread it's pretty clear to me now how we ended up with a brexit vote

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TheHeadOfTheHouse · 31/03/2024 09:00

Being vegetarian is a choice, not a medical reason so comparing it to someone being gluten free is not the same as most people who are gluten free are gluten free due to an intolerance.

i don’t think there was any harm in asking him, I probably would have given you the sandwich.

exerciseshmexercise · 31/03/2024 08:56

ZiriForGood · 31/03/2024 08:53

I don't think asking if he was vegetarian and if not, would he mind if I had it? is really polite. It is suggesting that vegetarianism makes person more worthy of the cheese sandwich, it is asking him to explain why should he be allowed to keep his sandwich.

And, the OP practically confirmed this reading in her further posts.

This just isn't a polite approach.

This is exactly the point I'm trying to make only you have made it better.

Why does vegetarianism mean you're more entitled to the sandwich than me because philosophy @Medsy ?

ForestBather · 31/03/2024 08:55

Megifer · 31/03/2024 08:47

Tbf it might MIGHT not have been so bad if op hadn't asked the dude if he was vegetarian.

If someone asked me I wouldn't mind the question I guess, I'd still say no. If someone rolled out the "I'm a vegetarian don't you know" I'd say no and probably enjoy it more (saying no and the sandwich, said as an ex vegan)

If op had asked my mum that, who has awful anxiety and takes 2 days to build up the confidence to go to the local shop, she'd have said fine, probably apologised for existing, then wouldn't buy a sandwich ever again. Tbh it's for those people that I think its shitty to ask, just deal with the fact that you missed out instead of making your dietary preferences someone else's issue to resolve for you.

I agree, asking him to justify his no was definitely crossing a line. I can't have processed meat as per doctor's orders, and I don't owe that kind of information to OP or anyone. Still first in first served.

Medsy · 31/03/2024 08:55

Megifer · 31/03/2024 08:52

Well, no, you're not entitled to ask. Not at all. You can ask, but entitled? No.

And there are plenty of people with MH issues who struggle with engaging with strangers, and are frightened when their door bell goes. Is that a surprise to you?

It doesn't surprise me, no

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Medsy · 31/03/2024 08:53

Megifer · 31/03/2024 08:47

Tbf it might MIGHT not have been so bad if op hadn't asked the dude if he was vegetarian.

If someone asked me I wouldn't mind the question I guess, I'd still say no. If someone rolled out the "I'm a vegetarian don't you know" I'd say no and probably enjoy it more (saying no and the sandwich, said as an ex vegan)

If op had asked my mum that, who has awful anxiety and takes 2 days to build up the confidence to go to the local shop, she'd have said fine, probably apologised for existing, then wouldn't buy a sandwich ever again. Tbh it's for those people that I think its shitty to ask, just deal with the fact that you missed out instead of making your dietary preferences someone else's issue to resolve for you.

So, never have an innocuous conversation with anyone as it might cause somebody to have a breakdown and never visit a supermarket again?
Yeah, thanks but I won't be taking your advice!

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ZiriForGood · 31/03/2024 08:53

ReadingSoManyThreads · 31/03/2024 00:42

Oh my goodness, I'm shocked at the responses on this thread!! @Medsy YANBU, you politely asked, nothing rude at all about that, it's not like you snatched it out of his hand for crying out loud. The woman's response was over the top and unreasonable. You did nothing wrong and were not rude. If you don't ask, you don't get. I'd have done the same if there was only one sandwich left that didn't have my allergy food in it. Nothing wrong in politely asking, as long as you graciously accept a no response.

I actually don't know what the world is coming to when you have had so many batshit replies on this thread. In my culture, no one would think twice to do someone a favour like this.

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I don't think asking if he was vegetarian and if not, would he mind if I had it? is really polite. It is suggesting that vegetarianism makes person more worthy of the cheese sandwich, it is asking him to explain why should he be allowed to keep his sandwich.

And, the OP practically confirmed this reading in her further posts.

This just isn't a polite approach.

Megifer · 31/03/2024 08:52

Medsy · 31/03/2024 08:36

You know that the guy would have chosen a meat sandwich if he had wanted one, so why do you think you are entitled to ask fir it

I didn't think I was entitled to it, I thought I was entitled to ask though. I'm sorry if you find engaging in conversation with strangers to be equivalent to bad manners, are you one of those that cowers behind the front door when the bell goes?

Well, no, you're not entitled to ask. Not at all. You can ask, but entitled? No.

And there are plenty of people with MH issues who struggle with engaging with strangers, and are frightened when their door bell goes. Is that a surprise to you?

exerciseshmexercise · 31/03/2024 08:51

That's one of the things that bothers me.

@Medsy if you'd asked me if I were vegetarian and if not could you have the sandwich, I would have answered no I'm not vegetarian, and I'd have felt obliged to give you the sandwich.

But I'm autistic with food aversions, and one of the things I can't eat is processed meat. Or a sloppy sandwich where there's tons of sauce on the bread like a tikka or a coronation sandwich.

I usually have a cheese sandwich if I'm buying a sandwich.

But I would have said no I'm not veggie, and then you would have taken the sandwich.

Your "need" for a cheese sandwich does not trump mine just because you're vegetarian.

Alargeoneplease89 · 31/03/2024 08:48

ageratum1 · 31/03/2024 00:49

It shows 84% of people have been raised with a smattering of manners and the try and be agreeable and helpful, and not put someone in the position of having to say no.
You know that the guy would have chosen a meat sandwich if he had wanted one, so why do you think you are entitled to ask fir it?

I was raised with traditional morals and the phrase, you don't ask, you don't get was often thrown around....

Does someone not ask, if they can sit down in a seat if they are disabled/elderly? Afterall someone sat there, so they obviously wanted it.

All are reasonable if you ASK politely, its a bloody sandwich... She asked if he minded? That's politeness and not ill mannered.

Megifer · 31/03/2024 08:47

Tbf it might MIGHT not have been so bad if op hadn't asked the dude if he was vegetarian.

If someone asked me I wouldn't mind the question I guess, I'd still say no. If someone rolled out the "I'm a vegetarian don't you know" I'd say no and probably enjoy it more (saying no and the sandwich, said as an ex vegan)

If op had asked my mum that, who has awful anxiety and takes 2 days to build up the confidence to go to the local shop, she'd have said fine, probably apologised for existing, then wouldn't buy a sandwich ever again. Tbh it's for those people that I think its shitty to ask, just deal with the fact that you missed out instead of making your dietary preferences someone else's issue to resolve for you.

Medsy · 31/03/2024 08:39

surreygirl1987 · 30/03/2024 23:16

You know, your reactions like this are making you come across worse. You WERE incredibly selfish and entitled. I thought it was a made-up thread at first actually. But being sarcastic like that towards people who've called you out on what the vast majority of people appear to perceive as pretty appalling behaviour just makes me wonder what the point of your thread was, if you're not going to listen to the answers.

I am quite mortified for you as well, as a previous poster said. Is this sort of thing a one-off, or do you have form for entitled behaviour?

The co-op wife vibe is strong in this one...

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Medsy · 31/03/2024 08:36

ageratum1 · 31/03/2024 00:49

It shows 84% of people have been raised with a smattering of manners and the try and be agreeable and helpful, and not put someone in the position of having to say no.
You know that the guy would have chosen a meat sandwich if he had wanted one, so why do you think you are entitled to ask fir it?

You know that the guy would have chosen a meat sandwich if he had wanted one, so why do you think you are entitled to ask fir it

I didn't think I was entitled to it, I thought I was entitled to ask though. I'm sorry if you find engaging in conversation with strangers to be equivalent to bad manners, are you one of those that cowers behind the front door when the bell goes?

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DreamTheMoors · 31/03/2024 03:29

When my mother was very little, @Medsy, she thought she would just die if she didn’t get a Milky Way candy bar.
She begged, she pleaded, she carried on to my grandfather to no avail and this is what he told her:
”It doesn’t hurt you to want.”

DreamTheMoors · 31/03/2024 03:06

MummaMummaJumma · 30/03/2024 22:31

God, all this talk of cheese sandwiches really makes me fancy one… or some bat shit 🤔

Read that back to yourself, @MummaMummaJumma.
What is it you fancy?

dutysuite · 31/03/2024 03:04

I wouldn’t have asked. I would have bought a two rolls and some sliced cheese.

DreamTheMoors · 31/03/2024 02:58

Cosycover · 30/03/2024 13:09

😂😂😂😂😂😂 no you didn't.
Nobody is that stupid.

Here’s the rude one RIGHT HERE.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 31/03/2024 02:16

ageratum1 · 31/03/2024 00:49

It shows 84% of people have been raised with a smattering of manners and the try and be agreeable and helpful, and not put someone in the position of having to say no.
You know that the guy would have chosen a meat sandwich if he had wanted one, so why do you think you are entitled to ask fir it?

Or maybe he wasn't that fussed on what flavour he had and just grabbed the first one? Who knows? We'll never know, but there was no harm in asking politely if he'd swap. It's not bad manners to politely ask.

Is it really so awkward to reply "Actually, I want to stick with the cheese".

RogueFemale · 31/03/2024 02:00

@Medsy I find it concerning and sad to live in a society where someone can't politely, in a friendly way and applying no pressure, ask if there's any chance someone would be okay with swapping sandwiches. It's hardly "Hey do you mind if I take a dump un your basket?" is it?

No, it isn't but it's definitely applying pressure, to attempt to guilt trip the bloke into handing over his sandwich to a 'needy' vegetarian.

Do you by any chance also practice yoga and mindfulness, as I've found that a sense of entitlement often goes hand in hand?

ageratum1 · 31/03/2024 00:49

Alargeoneplease89 · 30/03/2024 22:15

84% of people are batshit crazy, honestly can't believe people think you are unreasonable just asking?

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It shows 84% of people have been raised with a smattering of manners and the try and be agreeable and helpful, and not put someone in the position of having to say no.
You know that the guy would have chosen a meat sandwich if he had wanted one, so why do you think you are entitled to ask fir it?

ReadingSoManyThreads · 31/03/2024 00:42

Oh my goodness, I'm shocked at the responses on this thread!! @Medsy YANBU, you politely asked, nothing rude at all about that, it's not like you snatched it out of his hand for crying out loud. The woman's response was over the top and unreasonable. You did nothing wrong and were not rude. If you don't ask, you don't get. I'd have done the same if there was only one sandwich left that didn't have my allergy food in it. Nothing wrong in politely asking, as long as you graciously accept a no response.

I actually don't know what the world is coming to when you have had so many batshit replies on this thread. In my culture, no one would think twice to do someone a favour like this.

timetodeclutter · 31/03/2024 00:39

Potentially, YANBU to ask politely if you could possibly have the last cheese sandwich, and to mention you're asking because you're veggie. He might do you a favour but he'd be well within his rights to say no.

But definitely YABU to ask if he was veggie. It gives the impression you think that he needed a reason to refuse you.

Obviously they shouldn't have gone batshit on you.

mondaytosunday · 31/03/2024 00:31

Her reaction was over the top but you are ridiculous asking someone for the sandwich.