24m2 studio is an ok size?

Sounds shit.

I cant understand why more people don't have the ambition to become slum landlords!

I didn’t post that but the law is:

S.I. No. 137/2019 - Housing (Standards For Rented Houses) Regulations 2019

Pls cite the law that you refer to

I'm in London and have viewed a few studios recently, none under 32m squared and even they are lingering on the listing sites. Listen to your architect OP and if you are in Dublin be mindful that the next govt may well introduce radical new housing policies and target have-a-go landlords profiting from the miserable shortage.

I'm in Europe, where a 25m2 studio is pretty usual.

My first flat here was exactly this size, and had a bathroom (with bath), small kitchen and the main living/sleeping area. For one person this was perfectly adequate as long as the space was optimally utilised. It helped that the ceiling height was 2.5m, so there was plenty of space to put cupboards up high. Removing the bath and replacing it with a shower cubicle provided room for a washer/dryer in the bathroom, which is where they tend to be situated in these apartments (but which I understand might be against electrical/planning regs in the UK).

The big space-saver was the wall-bed or Murphy Bed - "Schrankbett" in German - which was a full-sized double bed that folded into the wall during the day, but still had a couch for daytime use, the couch automatically folding away under the bed when the bed was lowered.

For one person, as a base for a year or two, a well-planned apartment like this was fine. It was larger than any student flat I ever had, and it meant not having to rent a smaller room in a HMO or share a kitchen and bathroom.

That's crazy, no wonder there's a housing crisis! I agree that 24m is too small for anything but students or aparthotels, but for a young couple in an expensive city, 30m is fine (yes, I've lived in such small apartments, not even studios, for years) . If you demand enormous houses, it drives up prices and pushes everyone but the wealthy out of cities.

op won’t be back

Yes - terrible!

Yes true. I actually thought that myself after I posted. It really is capitalising on the desperation of others isn’t it.

But they won’t, because then they’d end up homeless due to the housing crisis. They’d only take the place in the first place if they had no other choice.

But of course OP, off you go and build 24m2 - with the current housing mess, the council probably won’t even bother to inspect.

The tenant could bring the OP to the RTB at any point.

Despicable behaviour on the OP’s part.

I bet they wouldn’t want to live like that themselves.

And how is the poor sod who ends up stuck there supposed to do their laundry?

The OP is in Ireland, so the minimum for a 1 bed studio is 37m2.

But of course OP, off you go and build 24m2 - with the current housing mess, the council probably won’t even bother to inspect.
It’s people like you who give landlords a bad name - I’m not a landlord, but I see the need for a properly functioning and regulated rental market - which BTW, we do not have in Dublin (or anywhere else in Ireland).

www.dublincity.ie/dublin-city-development-plan-2022-2028/written-statement/chapter-15-development-standards/159-apartment-standards

I'll not sure if the rules where you live are the same as England, OP, but if they are, don't forget to factor in the tax you will pay on the rental income.

Also, if let out to a non-family member, the resident may be eligible for council tax.

That's half the size it needs to be.

Don't be greedy.

not. even. close. OP

https://www.centreforcities.org/blog/minimum-space-standards-housing-crisis/#:~:text=After%20numerous%20changes%20and%20standards,with%20a%20double%20bed%20space.

After numerous changes and standards, the Nationally Described Space Standards are the current iteration. The smallest properties which can be built under these standards are 37 square metres (sqm) for those one-bedroom dwellings with a single bed space, and 50 sqm for one-bedroom dwellings with a double bed space.

This is a serious issue. Small spaces used to be very temporary. Students, new immigrants, temporary housing, people doing three jobs and studying so there were never there. But it's becoming the norm for everyday living. It makes people miserable.

If you can go bigger, please do. And if you can charge an affordable rent, please do.

Thinking more- what about fire safety? The oven has to be a certain distance from the bed and the exit afaicr. Unless you’re planning on putting in a sprinkler system?

That studio on SCR is likely pre-63 OP. If you don’t know what that is, look it up or ask your architect. There’s different rules now.

I cant see how a 6m x 6m studio could meet building regs? Unless this space was already a studio then it’s going to be classed as either a material alteration or, if it’s new, then it’s a new build. So it has to meet building regs, including Part M for accessibility. Does your architect know you plan to use this as a separate dwelling? They should really be advising you properly.

When I was first flat hunting in Central London I saw rooms smaller than that being let as 'studios', often with a sort of top bunk bed and a ladder fitted above a tiny kitchen, and a sofa with a TV on the wall opposite (which I could rest my feet on when sitting down, and I'm only 5'4").

There are some horrible greedy bastards around alright.

That is immoral and you should be ashamed of yourself for assuming a person should live in a room so tiny. And to charge them for it.

I think it’s doable but you’ll need to plan really carefully bathroom and kitchen area. All slim appliances/ multifunctional pieces of furniture will be more expensive than normal sized ones. The building works might come out expensive as you’ll need a personalised solutions (builders don’t like that 🙂).
The main problem is that just a few square metres might narrow down potential renters significantly and they will tend not to stay for long period.

However we don’t know how much more expensive/ long/ disruptive will be the architect’s option so it’s all about different pros and cons. Also your location might be very desirable and it will compensate for the size.