to think many politicians who claim to be Christians and who say this is a Christian country really aren't Christians and would criticise the teachings of Jesus

I am going to assume you mean that tongue in cheek, re it not being their fault, and I agree - that book is used to justify a lot of unjustifiable things!

Crimes actually. Where I am anyway.

Love perhaps, tolerance not so much.
The thing is, their book wouldn't have to tell them to love people quite so much if it didn't also encourage judging people to start with.
Trust me, I have been there, read the bible 'from cover to cover' and some, and spent lots of times with xtians. The mantra is 'love the sinner but not the sin', they judge you as a sinner who needs Jesus's love and they put themselves in the position of conveying some of that love. Becoming a xtian means that you judge yourselves and others of not being worthy without a god. It's all very contradictory and messed up.

I agree.

The history of the Catholic Church is full of very unchristian activities if not downright "sins"

'Secular' people can be selfish, 'religious' people can be selfish, anyone can be selfish.

Religious people are told to do it though. By their book. So it's not their fault.

The politicians who do this are also the first to profess outrage if the church or church leaders intervene in politics.

Are you?

'Secular' people can be selfish, 'religious' people can be selfish, anyone can be selfish. Thinking yours is the one and only religion can make many somewhat aloof and judgemental.

Maybe he misspoke ?

I would say this is a 'culturally' Christian country rather than a country full of church going Christians.

Well, it's actually more a pagan country wearing a Christian mask imo

A lot of people celebrate the pagan spring and winter festivals with lots of feasting and alcohol and call them Easter and Christmas, enjoy pancake day but don't do lent, tick the Christian box on forms or call themselves c of e without really thinking about it.

This is not in any meaningful way a Christian capital C country.

He didn’t seem to be a big fan of the death penalty, at least for adultery - “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”

What does this mean -

“the sooner it goes, and we fully respect and embrace other humans and cultures the better”

Do you want every country on earth to be exactly the same with no differences in culture, society or religion? have you really thought that through ?

Too true!

Perhaps the modern Catholic church should have a leaf through it sometime so?

@KeinLiebeslied54321

Most xtians are very judgemental, their book teaches them to be, despite pretending it's all about love.

It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure the New Testament is all about love and tolerance

I stand to be corrected as my knowledge of Christianity is from school/Sunday school but I don’t think any of Jesus’s teachings had much to say about any of those topics except maybe communion.

Farage is someone who spends his whole life denigrating, criticising and disrupting any organisation he comes close to. His life's work is to rubbish everything that others hold dear. The only thing about his focusing on church and Christanity that surprises me is that he ever went in the first place. This is a man who was praising the Nazis whilst at school.

Mogg is another. Sunday in church - the rest of the week calling ordinary people Pot Plants (for being inert and dim), hanging out with far right politicians and being part of a political party that has plunged huge parts of the country - especially children - into poverty.

Anderson, well he is a very angry, divisive man with no empathy for his fellow men.

I've no faith myself, but even I wonder either of them ever wonder how they will answer to their maker when the time comes.

You're right that different denominations have different stances on various topics.

However, all Christians regardless of denomination are supposed to be be compassionate and forgiving and to strive to live moral lives e.g., not to lie, cheat, steal or display greed.

It's clear from the actions of Mogg, Anderson, Farage, etc, that they're failing even the most basic of Christian teachings.

Tbf I don't really care what their personally beliefs are, the issue is they are trying to use something they clearly don't believe in to push a political agenda and to further their own personal career/finances.

To those of you with the view that religion and state should be separate, are you doing anything about that?

No nothing because its not that big a deal and its happening organically overtime anyway.

Campaigning? Writing to your mp? Trying to have the seats reserved in the house of Lords for bishops removed?

No nothing because its not that big a deal and its happening organically overtime anyway. There are far more important things to worry about than this anyway.

Does having a state religion preclude celebrating festivals of other religions?

England has a state church. However Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do not.

And no this doesn't preclude anyone from celebrating any festivals or religions.

"but who in the establishment is standing up for the Christian values that made our country so great and revered across the globe? "

This is what's strange. It certainly isn't Christian values which created colonialism- it's absolutely the opposite. I don't have and sentimentality at all about the kind of "greatness" we used to have as a nation- the sooner it goes, and we fully respect and embrace other humans and cultures the better.

Which ones though?

If the multitudes of Christian denominations can't agree on these things how are you and I as non-Christians, or mere MPs going to agree which morals and which teachings to follow?

To those of you with the view that religion and state should be separate, are you doing anything about that? Campaigning? Writing to your mp? Trying to have the seats reserved in the house of Lords for bishops removed?

Does having a state religion preclude celebrating festivals of other religions?

I am in no way absolving the state of their responsibility. Which they abdicated to these 'people of God'. Look what happened.

@DanielGault

i agree Daniel. Where was the state? The police? The people who knew but did nothing? That’s a consequence of a religious state creating such fear that people were paralysed to do anything.

But being Christian is firstly about a relationship with ones better self - the better part of oneself. We all have a right to prioritise that.

I’m going to exit this now as I don’t want to get into one of these arguments today of all days.

Happy Easter all

I think 95% is probably a bit high. It may seem that much because of all of the damage they do and how vocal they are but the majority of Christians I have met have been decent people and I truly beleive that the majority are.