to think many politicians who claim to be Christians and who say this is a Christian country really aren't Christians and would criticise the teachings of Jesus

Jesus corrected and contradicted the old testament e.g. forgiveness rather than vengeance etc. I think he was really presenting something very different to the OT, but Christians still read and believe the OT. I think there's a difference between Christians, who follow the OT, and followers of Christ who follow only Christ's teachings. Given how much Jesus seemed to disagree with tradition and the old ways, I wonder if Christians are making a mistake (theologically) in trying to practise both teachings.

What about the camel and the needle? That's about deeds. And he who is last shall be first etc. Jesus himself is pretty keen on deeds. I don't mean judging others but what you actually do yourself. There are lots of parables that tell people how they should be behaving. He made it quite clear that it's not good enough to be all talk and no action!

The op was about the teachings of Jesus. I think this "Christian values" is exactly the problem - these values were mostly not from Jesus yet people would rather judge one another in a Pharisee like way rather than show love, humility, kindness etc . What about the camel passing through the eye of the needle. That one is very conveniently forgotten by people who would rather concern themselves with other people's sex lives than look after the poor.

Remind me what jesus himself said about any of those things?

Demonising immigrants and foreigners are a
not core Christian values! Or blaming poor people for their poverty because they cannot make meals for 30p a portion.

They are utter fuckwits and if I was in charge I’d put them through a giant mincer. I don’t care if I go to hell for it 😂😂😂

So you and the OP seem to disagree on whether those are Christian values or not, which was really my point. We don't agree on what Christian values are. Some would say the things I suggested are not Christian values, while others would say of course they're Christian values - honoring all life, sticking to the 'God ordained plan' of men and women only in relationship with each other, and honoring the family.
Others would say we should be all about freedom to choose, being allowed to be fully who you are in God, and women should be allowed to use all their intelligence and talents in all areas of life.
There are pros and cons to each viewpoint, but when the OP says that politicians are not living up to or standing up for 'Christian values' - my question would be, 'Which Christian values?' What do you define as a*. There is no confusion on the values of Christianity. They emanate from 10 commandments and the teachings of Jesus. The bible is clear on homosexuality, on marriage between man and woman and on the sanctity of life.

Those core moral issues are not debatable. As far as I'm aware, it isn't sinful for a women to go out to work. I'm not sure why you think women using their talent or
Intelligence is not christioan values.

So you and the OP seem to disagree on whether those are Christian values or not, which was really my point. We don't agree on what Christian values are. Some would say the things I suggested are not Christian values, while others would say of course they're Christian values - honoring all life, sticking to the 'God ordained plan' of men and women only in relationship with each other, and honoring the family.
Others would say we should be all about freedom to choose, being allowed to be fully who you are in God, and women should be allowed to use all their intelligence and talents in all areas of life.
There are pros and cons to each viewpoint, but when the OP says that politicians are not living up to or standing up for 'Christian values' - my question would be, 'Which Christian values?' What do you define as a Christian value?

No I think we should keep embracing secular values. We should have more abortions(270k not enough) and we should continue to have kids and not put them first because homemaker and being a stay at home mother are such worthless activities. In fact, why not just give the kids to the state to raise? By the way all Christians I know would equally be happy for the man to stay at home to raise the children.

I agree!

This thread is such a good fit for this meme. It's remarkable how often you see non-Christians making these kinds of arguments about what Jesus would do at actual Christians.

@Churchview

Great post re meeting their maker.

Matthew 5:44. Jesus didn't tolerate sin but he did preach tolerance, to love our enemy and turn the other cheek.

@Canyousewcushions

I'm glad you responded to this thread.

I wish I could say things as eloquently as you. Your post about colonialism was excellent.

Which Christian values would you like the politicians to embrace?
Banning abortion?
Making it illegal to be LGBT?
Promoting the idea that women should be homemakers, raising the kids, while the men go out to work?

And so on - just have a look at some of the things happening in the US to see how that turns out.

Indeed- love the sinner, hate the sin.

Indeed, a Christian isn't someone who wants to change people's lifestyles, because that doesn't achieve anything. A Christian is someone who tells people the Good News, like one beggar to another, that even though we are lost, Jesus died for us so that we can have life with him. That Jesus will return to judge, but that if we trust in his saving death and follow Him, we have absolutely nothing to fear.

It's not saying "You're all fine. Just continue as you are and don't judge." It's basically saying, don't think you're so much more righteous than the person next to you, because every single human on the planet is a sinner who needs saving.

Yes, so it’s God’s job to judge. Not ours.

This is an instruction to those who were listening to him - to us. It doesn't mean that God won't judge. The Bible says again and again that Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead.

Jesus was about grace, NOT tolerance. Not at all. He called people to repent of their sins and be welcomed into the kingdom of God.