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to think many politicians who claim to be Christians and who say this is a Christian country really aren't Christians and would criticise the teachings of Jesus

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cakeorwine · 29/03/2024 08:36

Lee Anderson saying this is a Christian country and complaining about some councils celebrating Ramada with lights.

"But let’s turn our attention back to traditional values for a second. The last time I checked Britain is a Christian country, it is enshrined in our law. So why is it that one of the most important religious festivals in the country is not proudly celebrated in the nation’s capital? Just like Labour, the Tories also refuse to stand up for Christian values it seems. Their candidate for the Westminster constituency said the lights were to be “welcomed” before paying trivial lip service to the promotion of other religions and their holy days. Under successive Tory governments British culture, identity, and values have ebbed away, and the rate at which they are doing so seems to be rapidly increasing.
Let me be clear, this isn’t an attack on Islam or any other religion. I firmly and absolutely respect the rights of individuals to celebrate their faith, but who in the establishment is standing up for the Christian values that made our country so great and revered across the globe? Can you honestly believe that if the shoe were on the other foot, a Muslim country would decorate its capital city with Easter decorations during Ramadan?"

'UK is Christian – it's time to demand our country back' | Express Comment | Comment | Express.co.uk

Farage saying that he has stopped going to church because of what someone said

"Mr Farage said: "I won't go to my local church, I won't go. I am christened and confirmed in the Church of England, all my family on both sides have been Church of England.
"I used to believe in it, I used to attend, not every Sunday but regularly during the year, I will not go. It is hopeless, they've given up, they've surrendered."
Nigel Farage reveals why he has stopped going to church: 'It is hopeless!' | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

I firmly believe that these two, as well as other politicians who claim to be Christian and to believe in Christian values would be the first to have Jesus locked up for his views. They would not understand the story of the Good Samaritan.

I say this as someone who is not a Christian but who can see what Jesus was trying to say about helping others and particular values.

Nigel Farage says he has stopped going to church: 'It is hopeless!'

The former Ukip leader blasted the Church of England and said he no longer attends services.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1881644/nigel-farage-church-archdeacon-anti-whiteness

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/03/2024 09:01

Christianity and formalised religion has zilch to do with spirituality and faith. It was politics before politics was invented. A form of power and control.

The anthropomorphasising of a force that even the Bible says we cannot name, see or comprehend into a beardy big daddy in the sky immediately nixed any hope of understanding anything about anything because it infused everything with fear.

Jesus "got it" (or multiple spiritual leaders of the time depending on belief) but no-one really listened, and those in power that "got it" and saw it threatened them subverted it and claimed heresy.

Also religion and state should be separated, because treating each other humanely should be intrinsic and not because beardy big daddy says so but with a list of conditions that contradict the "message".

It's all nuts and hypocrisy.

makeanddo · 29/03/2024 09:00

Politics and religion should be separate. The Christian celebrations are actually linked to nature and started as pagan traditions - the church just made up celebrations at the same time to control people and get them to join their club.

Frankly I'm not sure how any (but mainly a couple of main ones) religions can keep a straight face when they talk about kindness, giving, forgiveness because that's not what I see.

Ponoka7 · 29/03/2024 08:58

People pick and choose what bits of their religion they want to focus on. Let's face it, it's the same globally.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 29/03/2024 08:51

Changingplace · 29/03/2024 08:48

Totally agree, it seems to be a cover by politicians for being incredibly judgmental these days, not what should be seen as Christian at all.

I'd say at least 70% of the xtians I used to mix with were a lot more judgemental than non-xtians.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 29/03/2024 08:49

Politics and religion shouldn't mix.
We are not 'a christian country', we are a country which (supposedly) tolerates all beliefs or none.

cakeorwine · 29/03/2024 08:49

Changingplace · 29/03/2024 08:48

Totally agree, it seems to be a cover by politicians for being incredibly judgmental these days, not what should be seen as Christian at all.

I would love to ask a politician who discusses Christianity what they think of various stories and attitudes - what would Jesus do and all that!

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Changingplace · 29/03/2024 08:48

BloodyHellKenAgain · 29/03/2024 08:45

I think 95% of people who claim to be Christian, politicians or otherwise, don't behave in a very Christian way. There's far too much criticising, finger pointing and judgement around IMO.

Totally agree, it seems to be a cover by politicians for being incredibly judgmental these days, not what should be seen as Christian at all.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 29/03/2024 08:45

I think 95% of people who claim to be Christian, politicians or otherwise, don't behave in a very Christian way. There's far too much criticising, finger pointing and judgement around IMO.

cakeorwine · 29/03/2024 08:43

DinnaeFashYersel · 29/03/2024 08:41

Politicians are not elected to represent religions.

A minority of Brits are Christian. And not all of them are practicing.

Individual Christians are entitled to be critical of their religions.

When a person who claims to be Christian displays none of the values that Jesus taught, I think it can be concluded that they aren't Christian. Or weren't listening to the Christian message. Or maybe they just don't get it?

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DinnaeFashYersel · 29/03/2024 08:41

Politicians are not elected to represent religions.

A minority of Brits are Christian. And not all of them are practicing.

Individual Christians are entitled to be critical of their religions.

Changingplace · 29/03/2024 08:40

Totally agree, the whole concept of Christianity has slipped so far from what the Bible says Jesus actually taught it’s ridiculous- I say this as a non practicing Christian but I went to a C of E school, Sunday school etc so I know the Bible stories.

Jesus taught forgiveness & acceptance- it’s all been twisted now, not that I follow it anyway but he’d be horrified by what a lot of nonsense is spouted in his name.

Ironically he’d probably be hounded and silenced like he was at the time, guess people don’t get literally crucified these days but the politicians wouldn’t like it.

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