to think many politicians who claim to be Christians and who say this is a Christian country really aren't Christians and would criticise the teachings of Jesus

Absolutely. Some of the most ostentatiously Christian politicians fit right into this mould. Jacob Rees Mogg for one.

You asked if Christians believe we have to continue to keep the Mosaic law under the New Covenant of salvation by grace. Here's a summary of the different opinions :

Westminster covenantalism
The mosaic covenant and the law is a covennant of grace. The new covenant is a continuation and expansion of this covenant, fulfilling it entirely. The law we now have written on our hearts by the holy spirit now is essentially the same law as they had back then.

1689 federalism
Similar view, but emphasises that the new covenant is different in substance to all previous covenants. The new covenant can be applied retrospectivly to believers before Jesus who trusted God, and was how people were saved then. The law is however still applied to believers, especially the 10 commandments.

Progressive covenantalism
The new covenant is the final fulfillment of all previous covenants, but previous covenants had tensions and conditionality that the new covenant resolves through the work of Jesus. Law especially 10 commandments should still shape the lives of believers.

New covenant theology
Similar to before, but emphasises new covenant as new, and that therefore the law does not govern Christians now, we now live under new covenant laws and the teaching of Jesus.

Dispensationalism
The mosaic covenant is a covennant of works and separate from all other biblical covenants in this way. This makes it temporary and not longer to be applied to the Christian.

Someone had to serve the men 🤷

"Two men say they're Jesus
One of them must be wrong ..."

The church cover up was appalling for sure but no Christian I know condoned any of it. What the priests did was Dispicable.

Absolution doesn't work like that. The person must acknowledge wrong, do penance and not do it again. Only God can know whether he forgives them cause only he knows if you are really sorry. Some sins are cardinal, unforgivable and these would fall under that.

And even so, the priests should have still being imprisoned for their crimes.

Xtians and some other faiths might 'think' there is only one god, most us know there were many god and goddess figures.

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And.....? What is the point you are trying to make? Who said religious people don't do bad things? If he has done something bad no Christian will support him.

Don't know about that. Catholic priests who have transgressed in the most appalling ways have been supported by their institution for decades. All “Christians” far as I know.

But I guess if they seek and are granted absolution, that’s all hunky dorey.

There is no Old and New Testament God if you are a Christian. It is the same God as there is only one God.

Again, this is a basic Christian belief.

Look, you knock yourself out criticising people for not holding values that you demonstrate yourself not enacting, if you want to.

You knock yourself out criticising people for not enacting a faith. you yourself don't believe and have a stunning lack of knowledge of, if you want to.

I'm off out now.

The New Testament is version 2.0 - an update to the laws and teachings of the Old Testament.

There is not full agreement on how the bible should be interpreted as a manual for living life. This is unsurprising, as people approach it from different cultural backgrounds and the original writing was not in English. Translations, even if done skilfully, can lose some of the subtle meanings or create unintended changes.

But some peoples’ Christianity is not well grounded in the bible. I once held an unpleasant church man to account who was bullying a homeless man. He did not even recognise the famous quote I cited as being from the bible! Christians are called to defend the weak and hold one another to account, absolutely.

Yep you’re correct.

If I were God I’d bring down lightning and have the couple of bastards, then send them downwards.

Making stuff up and then condemning people for the stuff you have made up about them is never a good way to argue.

You are really not very ' let he who is without sin cast the first stone' are you?

Look, the Old Testament is part of the Bible, do you deny that? Being part of the bible, it still has authority for Christians and lectures and sermons are still given around its books and the values and theology within it. Its taught at theological colleges that train ministers.

There are a lot of rules in the OT, , different Christians churches follow different rules in the OT. You can look this up for yourself if you are interested.

As I said, there are passages in the NT relieving Christians of following some rules. You can look those up too, if you like.

Popular tv shows are just that. There are not source materials to evidence your understanding of Christianity.

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You are definitely trolling.

It's about following the rules of the Old Testament.
Do you believe that you have to follow the rules of the Old Testament to be a Christian?

Because there are a lot of rules in there.

As exemplified in the videos.

Unless only some of the rules need to be followed?
And if so, which ones?

Because Jesus came with a new covenant. He came to save the people of God who had strayed. He told us what was important to save our souls. Keep the commandments, no need for sacrifes ( he is the eternal sacrificial lamb) to love your neighbour etc. show us the way. He reset the rules.

Look, the simple fact is that people interpret the bible, or whatever their holy book is, or indeed any book at all, according to their own existing values and beliefs. People with socially conservative beliefs are conservative christians, people with liberal beliefs become liberal christians, people have used the bible both to defend and oppose slavery and both have had biblical justifications for doing so, feminists find feminisim in the bible (bit of a stretch) and even those believing in the modern trans beliefs are starting to argue for biblical support for this ( even more of a stretch).

So attacking the people for not being Christian enough does not show a good understanding of how these things work. The bible's a long book. Opinions are divided over its interpretation. I refer you to the sheer number of different churches that exist, and sheer volume and diversity of theological interpretation.

I do find it hard to hear a non- Christian berate Christians for not christening right ( and I'm not even a Christian myself), especially when you have such a poor understanding of what Christianity and its core beliefs actually are.

I do find it hard to hear someone being so judgemental about others for not following non-judgemental teachings.

I find your posts to show an unedifying combination of arrogance and ignorance OP.

It's actually what people report a figure called Jesus to have said/done.

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It is, that is core to Christianity. God loves you, Jesus came to save you but it's only through him and his teachings.

That's your Christianity. (Which has no qualms about immediately calling people who don't believe it "sinners". Talk about othering).

There will be other Christians who have a different view.

*It's not my version of Christianity, as far as I know I didn't write a gospel according to bicyclebrief.

It's what Jesus says himself. I'm not saying anyone is sinful, I'm saying Jesus tells us what is sinful. I'm just pointing out what these sinful things are according to his teachings.

How many times does he say that heaven comes only through him?

I'm not sure why people get so upset if they're not Christian and the don't believe in the definition of what is sinful according to a faith.

If this is not what the core message of Christianity is what is it according to you?*

Of course OT teachings are part of the Christian faith!!!

You are surely trolling now!!

The OT is part of the Christian Bible!!!! How do you not know this????!!!!

You are quoting a popular tv series to claim it’s not??!!!!! Dear God!!!!

There are some passages in the NT saying that certain Jewish laws no longer apply. But the OT is still and valued part of the Christian Bible and faith and you will hear it taught in Churches up and down the UK, and world.

I'm don't think I did suggest that, merely adding a comment to an ongoing thread.