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1 in 5 teachers hit by a pupil

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MrsMurphyIWish · 28/03/2024 06:07

AIBU to think it’s a low as that?

The worst encounter I have had is being pushed down the stairs when I was heavily pregnant with DS - luckily I grabbed the railing, however I was still expected to teach the boy. (He didn’t even get a detention). I teach in a different school now but swearing, general contempt (from some pupils), threats are still common. No physical violence though.

I put up with it as I’m in the money trap and waiting for mortgage to be paid off so I can escape but in’s worry if this doesn’t change we’ll have an endless cycle of ECTs who leave after a few years, continued missed recruitment targets, and behaviour will get even worse!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-68674568 - * (post edited at OP's request to add link to BBC news site)

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Milkandnosugarplease · 28/03/2024 20:40

Not great for recruitment

Catbustotoro · 28/03/2024 20:37

The school system as it stands now is just not fit for purpose anymore... its a victorian system of industrial child storage, and it isn't meeting anyone's needs anymore. If we were designing schools from the ground up now, we'd never start by putting 30 children in one room all day, it's madness!
Schools are underfunded pressure cookers, with underpaid overworked staff, and stressed unhappy children. Attendance rates are plummeting, as children who can vote with their feet, and teachers are doing the same.
But it's easier to blame parents, or leadership, or SEN, than think about changing the status quo!

WearyAuldWumman · 28/03/2024 20:23

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Your comment is clearly despicable as well as stupid.

One of my teachers was a bullying asshat, so my being punched in the stomach by a pupil 30 yrs later was karma? No response required.

Purple444 · 28/03/2024 20:15

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In a thread where pregnant woman have documented that they have been punched in the stomach or pushed down the stairs or where a pp has described how her colleague has suffered a life changing brain injury, you want to mention karma?

I won’t tut at you. I will tell you that your post is disgusting.

Mama2many73 · 28/03/2024 20:14

plinter · 28/03/2024 06:44

This sounds pretty accurate for my primary. It's an outstanding school in a leafy suburb, and I think the parental body would be shocked at what teachers have to deal with.
In our case it is almost all children who are neurodiverse or trauma. The mainstream class room is very overwhelming and triggering for them which leads to meltdowns. We have a lot of push back from parents of these children about what we have done to trigger the meltdowns.
I think lots of people think a primary child lashing out isn't that much of a problem for an adult. In the past year I was assaulted by a year 6 child who repeatedly punched me. I had significant bruising for 3 weeks.
In the past month we gave had staff scratched enough to draw blood, bitten and have equipment and furniture thrown at them.
We have lost staff who find this behaviour very triggering.
I really do t think those who work outside education understand the current situation.

Ex teacher here.
I think primary schools are , to a point, expected to put up with stuff that secondary won't stand for. My dh is a ht at primary school. Every year they wonder how long some of the y6 kids will last at secondary, often only days

For kids with SEND/ND we are TOTALLY failing them. These kids are not being assessed (easily 3yrs wait) so rarely get the correct support, but are still expected to be in school and expected to cope, and when they can't, teaching/school staff are in the firing line!

BTW From personal experience as a carer I have witnessed several senior leaders (from the same 'good' secondary school) talk to kids like they're crap. Teaching staff on the whole were great but for the leaders it seemed to be power/control situation.
I WILL back the school if the kids misbehave. BUT I will also call out the school if I feel THEY are not doing /behaving as they should be. Kids are accountable and staff are accountable.

Patrickiscrazy · 28/03/2024 19:59

@Westernesse
Spot on. 👏

Anguish · 28/03/2024 19:55

The unprovoked teacher bashing here is absolutely insane, love to see people who think they can do my job better than me but probably wouldn't even survive the PGCE which has a 50% drop-out rate.

titbumwillypoo · 28/03/2024 19:44

wonderingwhatlifemeans: "Someone said earlier that we are training abusers and I do worry that this is the case. Yes these children have experienced trauma of some kind in their lives and often DV but they are learning that if they are really violent they get a treat and the person they have abused has to watch them get that treat."
I see this sort of thinking from a lot of the older TA's I work with. Middle aged, middle class mums who started the job when it was just washing out paint pots and were doing it for convenience and pin money. Now I know I'm stereotyping a bit, but they refuse to accept that the job has changed, they refuse to do any positive handling training (which is mostly about de-escalation and how to avoid holds) have no interest in changing their approach or mindset even when it causes the problems but worse of all, they take it personally.
Any adult working in schools that thinks a traumatised child should be further punished instead of being shown love and care needs to give their head a wobble. They're not being taught that violence works, teachers are trying to show them that there is a better way.

Anguish · 28/03/2024 19:42

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is there lead in your drinking water

Anguish · 28/03/2024 19:41

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so you believe people should pay the price for sins that arent theirs? there is no such thing as karma otherwise people wouldnt be born into war or poverty

ProfessorPeppy · 28/03/2024 19:40

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Yes of course current teachers are responsible for the crimes of past teachers.

Patrickiscrazy · 28/03/2024 19:34

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OutOfTheHouse · 28/03/2024 18:00

wonderingwhatlifemeans · 28/03/2024 17:33

I have never personally been hit or assaulted in any way during my 25 years primary teaching. I do teach younger children though and am quite stocky so maybe that has been why. I have witnessed children attack their LSAs by punching, kicking, biting etc. Then SLT get involved and take the child off. The next thing is they are getting to play basketball with a male teacher while the LSA has to watch after filling in the injury form.

Someone said earlier that we are training abusers and I do worry that this is the case. Yes these children have experienced trauma of some kind in their lives and often DV but they are learning that if they are really violent they get a treat and the person they have abused has to watch them get that treat.

Oh and now we get children shouting 'I'm angry!' When they don't want to be in class doing any kind of work. Then what happens? Usually Lego, or an iPad, or my favourite, 'Let's go and bounce on the trampoline to get some of that energy out.'

I honestly feel so sorry for the other children witnessing this. Some who see that violence gets rewards so starting behaving in the same way or those who spend their school days honestly terrified of the noise and flying chairs, pencil pots and other classroom equipment.

I completely agree. When we teach children that it’s just fine to attack someone in a position of authority then what hope does a future partner have.

NoisySnail · 28/03/2024 17:57

You can report him, nothing will happen - it would already have been reported as it is a serious life changing injury.

EyeOfTheCat · 28/03/2024 17:50

Anguish · 28/03/2024 17:27

He should be locked away forever before he kills a woman. Criminal age of responsibility should be waived in such instances.

If my 9 yo son inflicted that kind of injury on someone I would report him to the police MYSELF!

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I agree he shouldn’t be in a regular school with other children and teachers who could also fall victim. Not ok.

TwinklyPeachScroller · 28/03/2024 17:41

Exactly my point in another thread. Look beyond the behaviour when it presents to get support/medication in place before they get have such an impact on others or get excluded. It’s all wrong and unacceptable. What is it going to lead to charge? I dread to think.

wonderingwhatlifemeans · 28/03/2024 17:33

I have never personally been hit or assaulted in any way during my 25 years primary teaching. I do teach younger children though and am quite stocky so maybe that has been why. I have witnessed children attack their LSAs by punching, kicking, biting etc. Then SLT get involved and take the child off. The next thing is they are getting to play basketball with a male teacher while the LSA has to watch after filling in the injury form.

Someone said earlier that we are training abusers and I do worry that this is the case. Yes these children have experienced trauma of some kind in their lives and often DV but they are learning that if they are really violent they get a treat and the person they have abused has to watch them get that treat.

Oh and now we get children shouting 'I'm angry!' When they don't want to be in class doing any kind of work. Then what happens? Usually Lego, or an iPad, or my favourite, 'Let's go and bounce on the trampoline to get some of that energy out.'

I honestly feel so sorry for the other children witnessing this. Some who see that violence gets rewards so starting behaving in the same way or those who spend their school days honestly terrified of the noise and flying chairs, pencil pots and other classroom equipment.

Anguish · 28/03/2024 17:28

professionalnomad · 28/03/2024 17:03

Racist insults
Constant swearing
Pushed past onthe stairs when I was heavily pregnant and just laughed when I fell
Worst one - tried to break up a fight and ended up stepping into a punch which fractured my cheekbone - I was then suspended without pay while an investigation took place as the student complained that I was the cause of his bruised knuckles. Thank goodness for my union and my casualty X-Rays. I left teaching in the UK after that and am now 15 years into my international teaching career where I get to actually teach children - not just supervise them.

They investigated YOU for bruising his knuckles? OMG britain is a joke. You can't write this!

Anguish · 28/03/2024 17:27

EyeOfTheCat · 28/03/2024 17:08

That’s horrendous. Stories like that should not exist.

He should be locked away forever before he kills a woman. Criminal age of responsibility should be waived in such instances.

If my 9 yo son inflicted that kind of injury on someone I would report him to the police MYSELF!

LordPercyPercy · 28/03/2024 17:25

This is truly horrifying. My mother was a teacher. She taught in a high school in an area notorious for gang violence in the '80s (not the UK) and literally never had to contend with anything remotely like this.

EyeOfTheCat · 28/03/2024 17:08

NinetyNineRedBalloonsGoBy · 28/03/2024 16:39

My colleague (25 years teaching experience) was hit over the head by a 9 year old boy who didn't like the book they were reading. This was just over 12 months ago.

She has an Acquired Brain Injury affecting her movement, memory and speech. She requires daily care. She can never work or live independently again. Her two young children (now aged 8 and 10) have become her carers. She no longer works, reads, goes on holiday, goes out with her friends to the pub, attends her kid's' school events..

The child still attends the same school because it was decided that his needs were not being met if he were to move to another school.

No one wants to teach him so recruitment is even more difficult.

That’s horrendous. Stories like that should not exist.

professionalnomad · 28/03/2024 17:03

Racist insults
Constant swearing
Pushed past onthe stairs when I was heavily pregnant and just laughed when I fell
Worst one - tried to break up a fight and ended up stepping into a punch which fractured my cheekbone - I was then suspended without pay while an investigation took place as the student complained that I was the cause of his bruised knuckles. Thank goodness for my union and my casualty X-Rays. I left teaching in the UK after that and am now 15 years into my international teaching career where I get to actually teach children - not just supervise them.

NoisySnail · 28/03/2024 16:49

@GoodnightAdeline A year old can be surprisingly strong, and a hard whack to the head can cause brain injury.

GoodnightAdeline · 28/03/2024 16:47

NinetyNineRedBalloonsGoBy · 28/03/2024 16:39

My colleague (25 years teaching experience) was hit over the head by a 9 year old boy who didn't like the book they were reading. This was just over 12 months ago.

She has an Acquired Brain Injury affecting her movement, memory and speech. She requires daily care. She can never work or live independently again. Her two young children (now aged 8 and 10) have become her carers. She no longer works, reads, goes on holiday, goes out with her friends to the pub, attends her kid's' school events..

The child still attends the same school because it was decided that his needs were not being met if he were to move to another school.

No one wants to teach him so recruitment is even more difficult.

OMG. How on earth did he manage to inflict that kind of injury? Absolutely shocking he is still at the school.

NoisySnail · 28/03/2024 16:45

@NinetyNineRedBalloonsGoBy That is horrific