To think that unless the leaders in this country stand up to this sht, women and children’s rights are totally fcked?

It wasn’t a complaint.

I think you misunderstood blossom.
I agree with her. Self ID is not on the table and there are currently far more pressing problems for women than gender politics. Prioritising this over everything else is damaging tunnel vision.

‘It wasn’t a complaint’

You complain in the same way on every thread about this.

Same way as you can’t see how biased and tunnel visioned you are, I guess. Nobody’s applauding anything, incidentally. I don’t think feminism that ignores the very real harm suffered by thousands of women every day is any kind of feminism either but you seem to.

I merely observed that there are many threads all covering the same ground. It wasn’t a complaint. Talk about what you want - and expect challenge from those who disagree with you.

I don't think "feminism" that stands back and applauds while males claim to be women and allows them to speak over and for females is any kind of feminism.

It's just regressing back to times when males made decisions for females. How can you not see that?

Yesterday the Conservatives made Mens Rights Activist Philip Davis MP a lord. Yes that's just what we need. An anti-feminist in the Lords. Well done Tories.

The Conservatives don't give a monkeys about women's rights.

Unfortunately too many women have been hoodwinked by their campaigning into believing this is an existential threat they have to fight against. The political reality is there is a gnats fact between Labour and Tories. Its really not a voting issue and "leaders" aren't going to go to self ID so the Spanish situation is a red herring.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/26/tory-mp-philip-davies-to-speak-at-us-mens-rights-conference

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38305412.amp

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/mps-philip-davies-esther-mcvey-tracey-crouch-prime-minister-b1148414.html

They do that on every thread on the topic.

Well funny that because you seem to be complaining that someone started a thread on this issue. 🤔 almost like you think we shouldn't be talking about it.

I find you entrenched by a narrow male prioritisation so the feeling is mutual.

You mention politicians moving away from self ID is that something you wanted?

Same question for continuing puberty blockers

You can speak up as much as you want @EasternStandard. I have no interest in stopping you. Equally I too will speak up to disagree with you and your narrow worldview.

Self ID does exist in that a male can enter any female space and no one will check

Eddie Izzard is a good example, does he have a GRC? Maybe not but if he doesn’t he can still get access.

As for politicians knocking it down the agenda that’s due to women speaking up, which pp is at pains to stop on every thread.

So why then @blossomtoes do we have males in women's sports, males taking jobs legally reserved for females in rape crisis centres, males taking women officer political positions, males representing women at the UN etc etc.? Need I go on?

Confected problem my arse.

But they can’t. No political party supports self ID. It’s a completely confected problem.

I was incredibly shocked when I read about how this happened in Germany in the 1980s, led by 'progressive' Green Party policies.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/past-pedophile-links-haunt-german-green-party-a-899544.html

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles

So I would have enormous concerns about any developments that undermine safeguarding in any way. We all should.

There are no women's rights if men can just declare themselves women.

I don't dispute that it is.
Register as a woman, get the perceived, or actual, advantages that brings without making any effort at all to change anything about your male presentation. I hope more men do this personally, expose this for the nonsense it is. I don't know about maternity leave for example (using it as a made up advantage), but, your wife has just had a baby, register as a woman, boom, you've also got a year off on maternity leave without changing a single thing. As I said, I hope more men do this, without changing a single thing and, we see court cases all over the media, with breaded men called John insisting they are women and sueing those who say they aren't. That's the fastest way to turn this around.

There will be some that spend time saying no one cares

It’s hard to see why but they don’t read these threads other than to say stop speaking up.

It’s worth remembering women who have spoken up have moved politicians from Self ID and now puberty blockers have been stopped.

Some may wish that wasn’t the case but it’s not worth following that route for women or children

I think women’s rights are a very important issue and are embedded in every aspect of society. As a second wave feminist I find confining women’s rights to a single issue tunnel visioned. When rape has essentially been decriminalised through lack of conviction, domestic violence rises every year - up by 7.7% last year - while the conviction rate shrinks and 30% of UK children live in poverty, the trans issue comes a long way down my list of concerns about women’s rights.

I honesty dread to think what would now be enshrined in law had Labour been in power.

It should matter to every woman who values her vote

Some women.

@Hungrycaterpillarsmummy morning Rishi!

@Kendodd why not do someone research around this? Some good links on here as to why the trans issue is very much a woman issue.

@CarrotCake01 exactly.

When I was young you liked pop groups and had pics of bros on the wall.When my older daughter hit secondary the in thing was to want to be a boy.
A hugely disproportionate amount of girls changed their names and became gay as well.
Including my dd.
I'm all for finding love where you want and can, I fully supported dd but what I wanted to know was how much of this is truly your choice and how much is the tidal wave of influence in this school. The school became notorious for it.