To think that unless the leaders in this country stand up to this sht, women and children’s rights are totally fcked?

The Scottish GRR bill just required one statutory declaration.

And a minimum of six months of living as the acquired gender. It’ll be interesting to see how many UK parliamentary seats the SNP retains in the next election. The polls don’t look good fr them.

The Scottish GRR bill just required one statutory declaration.

The SNP and the Scottish greens still wish to implement self ID.

They still insist there are no issues with international implementation of self ID.

Hence the need to continue to discuss the examples of how self ID is furthering male violence against women and affecting rape victims such as in the article posted in the OP.

It’s pretty obvious that Spain has gone much further with self ID than anything proposed in this country since May ditched her ridiculous bill in 2017.

Since early 2023, it has become astonishingly easy to change your legal gender in Spain. All you have to do is make two official declarations at a registry office, three months apart. There is no medical consultation or intervention needed, nor do you need to show proof that you actually intend to live life as your chosen gender.

None of this (now) applies to any proposal made in the UK, although Liz Truss’ reduction of the fee for a GRC to a fiver certainly hasn’t deterred anyone from seeking one.

"According to records, there have been six known cases so far in Madrid of men accused of violence against women legally changing their gender. In three of these cases, the men went on to apply to stay in women’s shelters. So far, it appears that shelter staff have refused them entry."

Another quote from the article for discussion. Seems to me like self ID will end up aiding male violence against women.

Yet we're told it's international best practice and there are no issues and we shouldn't talk about it. 🤔

I guess a lot of people have been tricked into thinking that TWAW in important ways, like behaviour, criminality, sexual preferences, empathy, and that only their bodies are different from women. And that they are at great risk if they are in single-sex male spaces, while they pose no risk if they are in single-sex female spaces.

But anyone who follows this topic knows that TW behave exactly like men.

I can. Took 2 seconds to find these with google.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/17/hospital-told-police-patient-not-raped-alleged-attacker-transgender/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hospital-dismissed-claim-of-rape-by-trans-attacker-bssxvbqch

"In one particularly disturbing case, a woman reported a man to the police for allegedly drugging and raping her in front of her young daughter. She later found out that he had legally changed his gender. This meant that a number of protections she would ordinarily be entitled to have now been taken away."

We're told we should be talking about decriminalisation of rape rather than self ID.

Well here's a quote from the article.

Let's discuss this shall we? It's almost as if the issues are interlinked. 🤔

And your actual opinion on the article Blosson? Rather than trying to tell us not to talk about it? I'd like to hear your opinion.

Do you really appear on every thread on this issue trying to derail with whataboutery as other posters have said?

Or perhaps Adam you and blossom could just leave us to discuss

And you have the audacity to assert that I’m shutting you down! The sound of shattering glass is deafening.

Pretty horrific huh?

You’d think so. Why the focus on this thread existing rather than the article which lays bare the harms

Yes it is my opinion.

It’s a chat forum to post opinions

I don’t understand posters who are attracted to threads just to say not this again every time.

Especially when they also post about a shift on Self ID or maybe they are for or against puberty blockers. Those changes took people speaking up in the first place.

Or perhaps Adam you and blossom could just leave us to discuss the very real harm happening to women in Spain because of self ID. Have you even read the article?

A women who was raped does not have the protection under law she would have if the male did not identify as a woman.

Males are trying to access the shelters where their victims are trying to escape them.

Pretty horrific huh?

I like the full word transvestite.

Let's all use the full word, its clear what it means. Trans doesn't stand for transport does it lol.

That's your opinion.

We can all see who the regular posters are on these threads and we can all see who is getting accused of "shutting down", "harming women", "disingenous" etc.

You can disagree without being rude and pulling your smears across different threads.

When in doubt and losing the argument accuse someone of a pile on and bullying...

Or could it be that just most posters disagree?

Indeed. I can read them too and I’m struggling to find any attempt to shut you down. Quite the reverse actually, I’ve engaged with you over several posts now.

There is no difference between the Conservative line and the Labour line on this. The Conservatives are more to blame imo as they have the majority and could get this sorted if they wanted to.

They don't have any intention of doing that, because they would rather use it as a political football going into the GE.

If it is your voting issue, at the moment you can vote Reform or SDP. Or Party for Women if they manage to get any candidates or policies before the GE.

No one us being ‘piled on’ and ‘bullied’

If a poster complains about the existence of a thread every time the topic is raised it’ll get noticed.

When in doubt, imply someone is a man.

Maybe take 2 seconds to use advanced search. I'm a woman, a feminist and have posted on mn for years.

I'm not shutting down discussion, I don't like to see people being piled on and bullied. If you don't agree with Blossom you can say that without being unpleasant and implying she's trying to shut you down.

It doesn't take a lot of thinking to understand this issue is harder for labour to deal with. I'm sure many of them are equally concerned and horrified by this trend but ultimately they are the progressive party now and inclusivity is a central pillar to the party. They will always be under more pressure to bend to accommodate minority groups, particularly ones as vocal as this. It's just not politically as difficult for the Tory's to take a firmer line.

You know everyone can read your posts right?

"I think you misunderstood blossom.
I agree with her. Self ID is not on the table and there are currently far more pressing problems for women than gender politics. Prioritising this over everything else is damaging tunnel vision."

Self ID is very much still on the table in Scotland where I live and also if Labour get in.

Here's the thing, females can multi task and care about more than one issue at a time.

This thread is about one particular issue. Why are you so keen to shut down discussion? ADAM...oh

Please show me where I’ve tried to shut you down @Rainbowshit. Great name, by the way.

"Same way as you can’t see how biased and tunnel visioned you are, I guess. Nobody’s applauding anything, incidentally. I don’t think feminism that ignores the very real harm suffered by thousands of women every day is any kind of feminism either but you seem to."

Do I? You know nothing about me.

Am I trying to shut you down talking about these things like you seem to be trying to shut down our very real concerns?

Can you provide a link? Are you UK based?