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To think that unless the leaders in this country stand up to this sht, women and children’s rights are totally fcked?

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Absym · 27/03/2024 12:20

Sadly Spain is providing ample evidence of why this is all a terrible idea.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/26/spains-trans-equality-law-is-a-predators-charter/

Spain’s ‘trans equality’ law is a predator’s charter

Gender self-ID has eviscerated women’s rights.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/26/spains-trans-equality-law-is-a-predators-charter/

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User135644 · 29/03/2024 20:06

MidgeGreensteet · 28/03/2024 19:32

Im so fucking sick of having to repeat this but here we go again...The reason this shit has "happened under the Tories" is because its a global trend which has taken hold in almost all developed countries. It was going to happen whichever party was in power. There has, at least, been some push back under the current government (Cass review, clarification of the Equality Act etc).

I believe protection of womens rights and an exploratory approach for people experiencing gender distress will be much less likely with any other party in power at Westminster apart from the Conservatives. You can choose to put your fingers in your ears or decide that other issues are more important but dont kid yourself that womens rights arent going to be fucked under Labour.

It's a global trend but who is it that's pushing this madness? Who is behind it all? All seems very sinister to me.

Can't just be the work of liberal headcases.

Rainbowshit · 29/03/2024 20:01

I don’t think that’s Labour policy. Annilese Dodds said:

We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services.

Could you link to where Starmer has said this is official Labour policy please? Although he flip flops so often who could trust him.

Rainbowshit · 29/03/2024 20:00

BIossomtoes · 29/03/2024 19:41

This is what the current government is doing for women.

https://news.sky.com/story/crisis-in-barrister-numbers-as-average-wait-for-rape-victims-exceeds-five-years-13070171

I note you still haven't commented on the effect of self ID on the rape victim's rights as related in the article in the OP. Do you agree self ID is having a detrimental effect on female take victim's rights and as feminists we should be fighting it? If not why not?

Fairyliz · 29/03/2024 19:51

passthepenguin · 27/03/2024 13:06

That’s because this ideology is being pushed and promoted in the universities, in schools and through the left wing media.

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This!
DH worked at a university and had several years to retirement; in the end he gave his notice in and left several years early. As the father of two dd’s he couldn’t cope with all this shit being indoctrinated into the students.
It’s actually career sucide to disagree with these views; anyone who disagrees is managed out.

ResisterRex · 29/03/2024 19:43

BIossomtoes · 29/03/2024 19:38

I didn’t say that, did I? I pointed out that there’s no Tory definition. This twisting people’s words is why there’s no debate.

Well. I'm still waiting for when it's "reasonable". Expect it'll never come.

BIossomtoes · 29/03/2024 19:38

I didn’t say that, did I? I pointed out that there’s no Tory definition. This twisting people’s words is why there’s no debate.

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 29/03/2024 19:37

Absym · 28/03/2024 19:26

People can vote for who they like.

I’m not going to vote for the Labour party whilst their leader ‘believes’ 🙄 that thousands of women have penises.

Tories don’t do themselves any favours either. All in it for themselves - I’ve worked with them unfortunately.

Our local Tory cllr has protected someone accused of a sexually motivated attack including stalking - later exposed for DV. They’ll never get my vote.

Women will have to fight for their rights all over again- I don’t doubt that for a second!

ResisterRex · 29/03/2024 19:32

So will Dodds use SoS powers under the GRA to exclude males from female prisons? That's great. Please provide a link to that as I'd like to write to her, to support this, as well as to copy it to the Tory SoS so they can all see how women feel about this issue.

BIossomtoes · 29/03/2024 19:23

ResisterRex · 29/03/2024 19:20

where it is reasonable for biological women

What's "reasonable"? Will this be Keirsplained at a later date?

Given all the places the Tory government isn’t protecting, perhaps it should explain its policy on what’s reasonable. Clearly it doesn’t think prisons are a reasonable place for only biological women to access.

ResisterRex · 29/03/2024 19:20

where it is reasonable for biological women

What's "reasonable"? Will this be Keirsplained at a later date?

BIossomtoes · 29/03/2024 19:09

Rainbowshit · 29/03/2024 18:40

And under Labour it's likely that some of those rapists and domestic abusers will be incarcerated with vulnerable females if they identify as women.

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I don’t think that’s Labour policy. Annilese Dodds said:

We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services.

ResisterRex · 29/03/2024 19:07

BIossomtoes · 29/03/2024 17:57

Women and children will be viewed as collateral damage.

At least fewer of them will be living in poverty and rapists and domestic abusers will be convicted.

Wow

Rainbowshit · 29/03/2024 18:40

BIossomtoes · 29/03/2024 17:57

Women and children will be viewed as collateral damage.

At least fewer of them will be living in poverty and rapists and domestic abusers will be convicted.

And under Labour it's likely that some of those rapists and domestic abusers will be incarcerated with vulnerable females if they identify as women.

PuttingOutFirewithGasoline · 29/03/2024 18:29

Many women and children will always live in poverty, just with less rights.

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Absym · 29/03/2024 18:13

Is this what it has come to, women - would you rather live on beans and bread, or be raped in the changing rooms by a man who says he’s a woman?

Fck the patriarchy. There’s no room to vote for a man who thinks some women have penises. None at all.

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BIossomtoes · 29/03/2024 17:57

Women and children will be viewed as collateral damage.

At least fewer of them will be living in poverty and rapists and domestic abusers will be convicted.

ResisterRex · 29/03/2024 16:43

Absym · 29/03/2024 12:11

It’s all a bit of a smokescreen. Self id or gender recognition certificate, same old bull shit.

The fact is in the U.K. (worse in Scotland) , a male can claim he’s a woman and eg. Enter women’s categories on sports, go into women’s safe spaces and the rest of it. A male can call himself a woman and rape a child, woman, man, and be recorded as a woman on police records.he could even go to a women’s prison.

No one can ask for a GRC nor are they bound to show it. As any male who wishes to abuse the female sex knows. Yes the Spanish self id has made the consequences very clear - but let’s not fool ourselves.

Extreme trans ideology is indeed a charter for male predators. If you open the door to some men, you open the door to ALL men.

It is here and it will only get worse under a Labour government - whilst they tell us all that thousands of women have penises.

The only way to change it is to make biological sex a protected characteristic in the Equality Act.

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I agree but would add:

  • repeal the GRA
  • make it unlawful to conceal birth sex

On the latter, i fear we may be in for a horror if there's a Labour administration and/Labour deal with other, even more captured parties.

The worst GE outcome would be a deal between parties. Women and children will be viewed as collateral damage.

EasternStandard · 29/03/2024 12:50

Absym · 29/03/2024 12:11

It’s all a bit of a smokescreen. Self id or gender recognition certificate, same old bull shit.

The fact is in the U.K. (worse in Scotland) , a male can claim he’s a woman and eg. Enter women’s categories on sports, go into women’s safe spaces and the rest of it. A male can call himself a woman and rape a child, woman, man, and be recorded as a woman on police records.he could even go to a women’s prison.

No one can ask for a GRC nor are they bound to show it. As any male who wishes to abuse the female sex knows. Yes the Spanish self id has made the consequences very clear - but let’s not fool ourselves.

Extreme trans ideology is indeed a charter for male predators. If you open the door to some men, you open the door to ALL men.

It is here and it will only get worse under a Labour government - whilst they tell us all that thousands of women have penises.

The only way to change it is to make biological sex a protected characteristic in the Equality Act.

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Agree

Kendodd · 29/03/2024 12:49

Rainbowshit · 29/03/2024 10:40

"According to records, there have been six known cases so far in Madrid of men accused of violence against women legally changing their gender. In three of these cases, the men went on to apply to stay in women’s shelters. So far, it appears that shelter staff have refused them entry."

Another quote from the article for discussion. Seems to me like self ID will end up aiding male violence against women.

Yet we're told it's international best practice and there are no issues and we shouldn't talk about it. 🤔

I hope those transwomen (men) sue those shelters and their pictures are all over the press. Detailing their history of violence against women and that they are now demanding access to a women's shelter.

I remember the fuss recently about trans police officers and body searches of women. It seems the police backed down and didn't insist trans officers can search women. Shame. It's another case I'd like to see going to court and all over the press. A transwomen officer, sueing his employer and demanding the 'right' to strip search women. I think publicity about cases like this is the only way to expose it for the nonsense it is.

Rainbowshit · 29/03/2024 12:24

It’s interesting that pp spend time deriding women who speak up but post links to politicians’ views on self ID

Interesting isn't it? Also interesting still no actual discussion or comment on the impact of self ID on the rights of raped females highlighted in the OP.

If there has been any shift on this policy and other gender issues it’s down to those women. If any shift is to remain it’s also down to women saying no.

There will be lobbying from men still, if women nicely stop doing anything as pp would like them to then gains are easily lost.

Exactly. There are no guilt trips, accusations or whataboutery attempts that will prevent discussion anymore.

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Absym · 29/03/2024 12:11

It’s all a bit of a smokescreen. Self id or gender recognition certificate, same old bull shit.

The fact is in the U.K. (worse in Scotland) , a male can claim he’s a woman and eg. Enter women’s categories on sports, go into women’s safe spaces and the rest of it. A male can call himself a woman and rape a child, woman, man, and be recorded as a woman on police records.he could even go to a women’s prison.

No one can ask for a GRC nor are they bound to show it. As any male who wishes to abuse the female sex knows. Yes the Spanish self id has made the consequences very clear - but let’s not fool ourselves.

Extreme trans ideology is indeed a charter for male predators. If you open the door to some men, you open the door to ALL men.

It is here and it will only get worse under a Labour government - whilst they tell us all that thousands of women have penises.

The only way to change it is to make biological sex a protected characteristic in the Equality Act.

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EasternStandard · 29/03/2024 12:05

Rainbowshit · 29/03/2024 11:20

The Scottish GRR bill just required one statutory declaration.

The SNP and the Scottish greens still wish to implement self ID.

They still insist there are no issues with international implementation of self ID.

Hence the need to continue to discuss the examples of how self ID is furthering male violence against women and affecting rape victims such as in the article posted in the OP.

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It’s interesting that pp spend time deriding women who speak up but post links to politicians’ views on self ID

If there has been any shift on this policy and other gender issues it’s down to those women. If any shift is to remain it’s also down to women saying no.

There will be lobbying from men still, if women nicely stop doing anything as pp would like them to then gains are easily lost.

Rainbowshit · 29/03/2024 12:04

BIossomtoes · 29/03/2024 11:37

The Scottish GRR bill just required one statutory declaration.

And a minimum of six months of living as the acquired gender. It’ll be interesting to see how many UK parliamentary seats the SNP retains in the next election. The polls don’t look good fr them.

3 months actually unless under 18, have food in my fridge older than that. How does a male live as a woman do you think? Is it in any way an onerous requirement to fulfil?

DuesToTheDirt · 29/03/2024 11:40

BIossomtoes · 29/03/2024 11:37

The Scottish GRR bill just required one statutory declaration.

And a minimum of six months of living as the acquired gender. It’ll be interesting to see how many UK parliamentary seats the SNP retains in the next election. The polls don’t look good fr them.

Don't forget that sex offenders were not excluded.