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To think that unless the leaders in this country stand up to this sht, women and children’s rights are totally fcked?

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Absym · 27/03/2024 12:20

Sadly Spain is providing ample evidence of why this is all a terrible idea.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/26/spains-trans-equality-law-is-a-predators-charter/

Spain’s ‘trans equality’ law is a predator’s charter

Gender self-ID has eviscerated women’s rights.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/26/spains-trans-equality-law-is-a-predators-charter/

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Absym · 31/03/2024 18:37

CrappySack · 31/03/2024 18:31

Isn't your whole point that you think people should ignore all the blatant shit the Tories have piled on women and children because "But but but Labour think women have penises"

I suppose I should have said that Labour don’t just think that some women have penises. Labour have stated that some women do indeed definitely have penises.

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Katkins17 · 31/03/2024 18:36

It's terrifying isn't it.

I mean, these men and sycophantic women who truly believe that if a man says the magic words 'I'm a lady' ... without any hormones or Surgery, they are now indeed women and therefore no threat ...are just so captured that they'd actually put us at real risk.

It beggars belief.

Until there are magic force fields in our spaces which keep predators out... no men, however they identify should be allowed in.

No amount of swishy skirts, wigs or badly applied lipstick should change that.

Absym · 31/03/2024 18:35

CrappySack · 31/03/2024 18:31

Isn't your whole point that you think people should ignore all the blatant shit the Tories have piled on women and children because "But but but Labour think women have penises"

Uhm no.

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Absym · 31/03/2024 18:34

Alfreddoeblin · 31/03/2024 13:23

They say they are bothered about working class women but are happy to throw them to the wolves for their niche obsession. Trans Trans Trans v everything else that’s bedevilling the country.
What else would you expect of largely middle class women who want to be freedom fighters. Maybe do some charity work, volunteer in a hospice, like something positive.

‘Niche obsession’? Perhaps you need to do a bit more research. Educate yourself a little.

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CrappySack · 31/03/2024 18:31

Absym · 31/03/2024 18:21

More what aboutism again. Labour never tell anyone what Labour will do. They only ever say but but but the tories. Grrr the tories. We’re better than them. And that’s all you need to know. Well, that and we hate women. Such a grubby little party these days. Gone is the proud Labour Party of years ago.

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Isn't your whole point that you think people should ignore all the blatant shit the Tories have piled on women and children because "But but but Labour think women have penises"

Absym · 31/03/2024 18:21

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/03/2024 17:55

We survived Theresa May 's attempt to bring in Self ID. We've survived the genderwoo written into legistlation. We've survived the indoctrination of our children. We are surviving a PM who says a woman is what Boris Johnson says, when Johnson refused to say only women have a cervix. Well survive and fight whatever the next administration do.

It's the feminist way.✊️

This year we get to vote out the Tories and thank fuck for that. They've wrecked the lives of too many in this country, mostly women and children.

More what aboutism again. Labour never tell anyone what Labour will do. They only ever say but but but the tories. Grrr the tories. We’re better than them. And that’s all you need to know. Well, that and we hate women. Such a grubby little party these days. Gone is the proud Labour Party of years ago.

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GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 31/03/2024 17:57

This year we get to vote out the Tories and thank fuck for that. They've wrecked the lives of too many in this country, mostly women and children.

Hear, hear.

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/03/2024 17:55

Absym · 31/03/2024 17:18

What the tories have done, or not, when Labour get in (assuming they do), everything everywhere will get so much worse. If the leader does not know what a woman is, how can he protect women? He can’t. If the law doesn’t know what a woman is, how can it protect women? It can’t. If the law says a man is a woman, how can it protect women? It can’t. And Labour will make this dystopian nightmare much much worse. See Scotland, Spain, Canada. Horrific.

We survived Theresa May 's attempt to bring in Self ID. We've survived the genderwoo written into legistlation. We've survived the indoctrination of our children. We are surviving a PM who says a woman is what Boris Johnson says, when Johnson refused to say only women have a cervix. Well survive and fight whatever the next administration do.

It's the feminist way.✊️

This year we get to vote out the Tories and thank fuck for that. They've wrecked the lives of too many in this country, mostly women and children.

Rainbowshit · 31/03/2024 17:55

BIossomtoes · 31/03/2024 17:04

Why would we wait until that point when it'll be too late.

Because we’re currently not getting to that point.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-involved/years-too-long-dont-keep-survivors-waiting-for-justice/

So let me get this straight, until we get action on rape convictions we shouldn't care about rape victims being reabused by their attackers, because a loophole in self ID allowed males to access female shelters? We shouldn't care about those males who have been convicted of rape being out in prison with vulnerable females who are likely DV victims?

No pet.

DuesToTheDirt · 31/03/2024 17:37

@Cancelledcurio 5 years going to school a few inches shorter than a previous generation ( indicator of poverty deprivation and decrease in standard of living ),

Have I misunderstood, or are you seriously saying that 5 year olds are a few inches shorter than 5 year olds of a generation ago? If so, where did you get that form?

Absym · 31/03/2024 17:37

ResisterRex · 31/03/2024 17:34

Not for me. This is why I'm ex-Labour and struggling to vote at all. They've purposely not acted in opposition to stop this. And it would be a gift eg the visceral reaction to "Isla Bryson". They've allowed the awful treatment of Rosie. Moreover, they drop policies like hot stones - except for this one. And they whipped to vote with the SNP on this topic. Why would you trust them with the keys to no10, based on their record? You'd be mad to think they won't go Full Canada. They absolutely will. They'll do it. Don't think they won't. They will.

That’s the thing. They know they will. But they don’t care. Or understand. I’m really not sure which. Maybe a bit of both.

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Absym · 31/03/2024 17:35

BIossomtoes · 31/03/2024 17:22

From another thread, put so succinctly

So do I understand this correctly, people don’t want to vote Labour because they haven’t committed to something but it’s ok to vote Tory who also haven’t committed to the same thing.

😂 What? We all know Labours’ view on women. They think women have penises. Labour have a woman problem. We all know that. It’s been repeated time and time again.

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ResisterRex · 31/03/2024 17:34

BIossomtoes · 31/03/2024 17:22

From another thread, put so succinctly

So do I understand this correctly, people don’t want to vote Labour because they haven’t committed to something but it’s ok to vote Tory who also haven’t committed to the same thing.

Not for me. This is why I'm ex-Labour and struggling to vote at all. They've purposely not acted in opposition to stop this. And it would be a gift eg the visceral reaction to "Isla Bryson". They've allowed the awful treatment of Rosie. Moreover, they drop policies like hot stones - except for this one. And they whipped to vote with the SNP on this topic. Why would you trust them with the keys to no10, based on their record? You'd be mad to think they won't go Full Canada. They absolutely will. They'll do it. Don't think they won't. They will.

Absym · 31/03/2024 17:32

And yes, I’d rather eat only bread / beans / rice for the rest of my life, than eg. see any children / women be raped by predatory men in toilets, or predatory men dressed as women getting children to trust them then rape them. When it could have been prevented if people had stopped the madness. Since you keep bringing it right down to but but but what about what about what about.

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BIossomtoes · 31/03/2024 17:22

From another thread, put so succinctly

So do I understand this correctly, people don’t want to vote Labour because they haven’t committed to something but it’s ok to vote Tory who also haven’t committed to the same thing.

Absym · 31/03/2024 17:18

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/03/2024 13:25

Women and children's rights are already fucked @Absym. The Tory party has fucked them hard over the last 14 years.Angry

What the tories have done, or not, when Labour get in (assuming they do), everything everywhere will get so much worse. If the leader does not know what a woman is, how can he protect women? He can’t. If the law doesn’t know what a woman is, how can it protect women? It can’t. If the law says a man is a woman, how can it protect women? It can’t. And Labour will make this dystopian nightmare much much worse. See Scotland, Spain, Canada. Horrific.

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Absym · 31/03/2024 17:07

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Absym · 31/03/2024 17:02

BIossomtoes · 31/03/2024 12:37

You can see my priorities on any political thread. Always assuming you have any interest in anything other than the trans issue.

🙈 How many times. It’s not a ‘trans issue’. It’s a women’s and children’s rights issue.

But you know that really. At least, I hope you do.

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Absym · 31/03/2024 16:58

ResisterRex · 31/03/2024 10:47

When men can self-ID as women, no, there are not bigger issues as a feminist to worry about. What that is, is Game Over.

Yes

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Rainbowshit · 31/03/2024 14:27

We’ll worry about where they’re incarcerated when they’re tried and found guilty.

Why? Why would we wait until that point when it'll be too late.

We're currently discussing rape victims prior to that point being re-abused by their abusers aided and abetted by a law that many wish to bring into this country.

Rainbowshit · 31/03/2024 14:25

Alfreddoeblin · 31/03/2024 13:19

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/jul/13/legal-aid-cuts-vulnerable-women-access-justice-budget-england-wales
what’s your opinion @Rainbowshit don’t those women matter ? What about the horrendous state of british prisons and how women are treated in them ?
Are you actually wanting us to vote for the party that allowed these things ? Really ?

I care about ALL issues that affect females, pet. I'm not going to be told that there are specific examples of abuse against females that I should shut up about just because it suits your agenda thanks very much.

I have no political affiliation. They're all as bad as each other. By criticising all parties online I hope to try and drive some sense back into them so I can vote for a party I believe in again.

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/03/2024 13:25

Women and children's rights are already fucked @Absym. The Tory party has fucked them hard over the last 14 years.Angry

Alfreddoeblin · 31/03/2024 13:23

They say they are bothered about working class women but are happy to throw them to the wolves for their niche obsession. Trans Trans Trans v everything else that’s bedevilling the country.
What else would you expect of largely middle class women who want to be freedom fighters. Maybe do some charity work, volunteer in a hospice, like something positive.

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