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To think that unless the leaders in this country stand up to this sht, women and children’s rights are totally fcked?

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Absym · 27/03/2024 12:20

Sadly Spain is providing ample evidence of why this is all a terrible idea.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/26/spains-trans-equality-law-is-a-predators-charter/

Spain’s ‘trans equality’ law is a predator’s charter

Gender self-ID has eviscerated women’s rights.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/26/spains-trans-equality-law-is-a-predators-charter/

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Absym · 31/03/2024 23:28

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/03/2024 20:55

They've certainly done that @CrappySack. And anyone with half a brain cell has cottoned on to them.

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😂🙈 Anyone with half a brain cell would understand that lots of ex Labour supporters still want to vote Labour but never ever will again whilst Labour state women have penises. Alas the remaining Labour supporters are so transfixed by the tories all they can see is that if people are saying Labour are a big women hating turd, then they must like the tories. That’s the myopic vision. But never mind. It’s been said time and time again so I doubt anything will change now.

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GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 31/03/2024 23:28

CrappySack · 31/03/2024 23:25

Exactly. They've had so much time to do something about it, but haven't.

This government caring about women is as believable as if the green party said they were planning to champion seal clubbing.

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GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 31/03/2024 23:27

No it’s fact

No.
It's not.
(We can do this all day)

My "little Labour plinth?" 😂
What are you even on about lol, I'm not on any plinth just think your post was utterly hyperbolic
Seeing as the Tories have been in power for 14 years and done fuck all about your one issue, and Labour haven't been in power since 2010 ........
You don't know for a fact that they'll be worse, bring on a change, a breath of fresh air.
Not more of this shit from the Conservatives for another 4 or 5 years. That's what doesn't bear thinking about.

CrappySack · 31/03/2024 23:25

BIossomtoes · 31/03/2024 23:14

It may not be a Tory invention, they haven’t done much to stop it, have they?

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Exactly. They've had so much time to do something about it, but haven't.

This government caring about women is as believable as if the green party said they were planning to champion seal clubbing.

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Absym · 31/03/2024 23:18

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 31/03/2024 23:06

You're spouting opinion as fact though when it's not.
It's your opinion it will be worse.
I think we'll be much better off under a Labour Government as women and children personally, seeing as there's more to things than just this one single issue.
"Poor girls poor women, can't bear to think, unbelievable" is just hyperbolic nonsense imo.

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No it’s fact. How can you even contemplate that it’s not. It’s been stated time and time again. You know it. But if you admit it your little Labour plinth crumbles, so you won’t.

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Absym · 31/03/2024 23:16

The delightful Pippa Bunce. A man selected to represent women in the UN.

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/

Just another example from the many.

To think that unless the leaders in this country stand up to this sht, women and children’s rights are totally fcked?
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CrappySack · 31/03/2024 23:15

Absym · 31/03/2024 22:57

As a pp has said this has happened all over the world. It’s not a Tory invention but that doesn’t suit your narrative does it.

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If you think the Tories haven't been able to stop it, why do you think they suddenly can now?

If they can't stop it, then it will make no difference who's in power.

If they can, then what's been stopping them? Could it be that they're lying to try and win votes.

It doesn't surprise me that they think women are so stupid as to ignore all the shit they've done to actively make our lives worse and vote for them based on a sound bite.

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Absym · 31/03/2024 23:14

Hotgirlwinter · 31/03/2024 19:44

Well it’s not going to take all that long for the young people / women who have been captured by this nonsense to find the hard way is it.

As much as it pains me to say, when it is them, their sister, their mother, their best friend being assaulted, raped, harmed then gaslight and lied to - they are going to feel very differently and really fucking stupid.

I think a lot of women (me included) didn’t really understand the implications of gender id and stood very much in the “live and let live” camp without any actual critical understanding of what it really means. The “be kind” mantra really did a number on a lot of us but now most of us are well aware of the consequences of gender ideology and can see what is coming a mile off.

I hope to god our younger generations start to cotton on quickly. Perhaps when they see their mothers being placed on mixed wards and being refused the dignity of female only spaces and being called a bigoted old fool by people who are meant to care for and protect them, they will realise what they have done

Exactly. I think most of us were like this. Enabling it to gain traction so quickly.

This website gives a log of good information, links, evidence, background. Shocking most of it. Or may be not.

Just one page talks about the development of the extreme transgender movement (taking women’s and children’s rights) and fire it happened so quickly.

‘The paper outlines the strategy of the transgender movement and it’s inherently anti-democratic tactics. Instead of winning hearts and minds they have appealed to authority, change laws, often by stealth, bypassing a public conversation. Their appeal is based on a fallacious victimhood; deployed to guilt and shame people into accepting their minority world view. This is combined with a suppression of debate and repression of alternative perspectives’

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2023/05/21/transgender-movement-fascism/

Transgender Movement & Fascism

The repressive moralism of the transgender movement

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2023/05/21/transgender-movement-fascism/

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BIossomtoes · 31/03/2024 23:14

Absym · 31/03/2024 22:57

As a pp has said this has happened all over the world. It’s not a Tory invention but that doesn’t suit your narrative does it.

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It may not be a Tory invention, they haven’t done much to stop it, have they?

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 31/03/2024 23:06

Absym · 31/03/2024 22:55

@TooBigForMyBoots This Tory government is a shitshow and detrimental to women, children and the whole UK.

Labour will be much worse for women and children. Much worse. I can’t bear to think about it but it will happen. Poor girls, poor children, poor women. Unbelievable.

You're spouting opinion as fact though when it's not.
It's your opinion it will be worse.
I think we'll be much better off under a Labour Government as women and children personally, seeing as there's more to things than just this one single issue.
"Poor girls poor women, can't bear to think, unbelievable" is just hyperbolic nonsense imo.

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Absym · 31/03/2024 22:58

BIossomtoes · 31/03/2024 22:49

I’m not male. Let alone a predator.

I know, I wasn’t talking to you specifically.

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Absym · 31/03/2024 22:57

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/03/2024 19:28

I remember the Noughties. This was not happening then.

Under the Tories however...🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

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As a pp has said this has happened all over the world. It’s not a Tory invention but that doesn’t suit your narrative does it.

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Absym · 31/03/2024 22:55

@TooBigForMyBoots This Tory government is a shitshow and detrimental to women, children and the whole UK.

Labour will be much worse for women and children. Much worse. I can’t bear to think about it but it will happen. Poor girls, poor children, poor women. Unbelievable.

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Absym · 31/03/2024 22:51

Rainbowshit · 31/03/2024 19:23

There are many many examples of biological and legal males without a GRC just claiming they are a woman and sports bodies say "oh ok then" and let them have access to female sports.

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-inclusion-is-already-harming-uk-females-in-sport/

Exactly. To ask for examples is like asking for examples of male violence. There are many of them. Too many to count. Do your own research @BIossomtoes . Though you won’t because you and the others who are always on these threads jumping up and down about Labour, suffer from cognitive dissonance on this issue. So you will never try and find evidence which doesn’t support your view that Labour are like they used to be, as opposed to what they currently are, which is a sad sack of women haters.

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BIossomtoes · 31/03/2024 22:49

I’m not male. Let alone a predator.

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Absym · 31/03/2024 22:45

BIossomtoes · 31/03/2024 19:14

If you mean men say so. And any man can’t just say they’re a woman and everyone goes “Oh, right you are, then”.

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Do you live in the uk? That is exactly the situation. Except we don’t go oh right yeah you are then. We think uhm no you’re not. You’re clearly a man with hairy bollocks and a weirdly insecure yet at the same time superiority complex, however we’re not allowed to say so so we say nothing for fear of being sacked / ostracised / arrested. Except that last bit, that’s stopping now. The game is up. We see you male predators and you won’t win the war.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 31/03/2024 20:59

Exactly @Ponoka7. This happened under and because of the Tories.

I am disgusted at their pretence that they give a shit about women. See also Karen White.Angry

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/03/2024 20:55

CrappySack · 31/03/2024 20:39

That's why I'm not voting Tory.

They have proven time and time again that they don't give a shit about women.

Hopefully most women aren't naïve enough to believe that they've had a complete U-turn.

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They've certainly done that @CrappySack. And anyone with half a brain cell has cottoned on to them.

CrappySack · 31/03/2024 20:43

Absym · 31/03/2024 19:08

We don’t need self id. Any penis haver can say they are a woman and enter female spaces, races, teams etc etc etc. They don’t even need to prove that they have a GRC (though that’s a pile of crap either way).

This is why we always come back to the fact that the EA needs to be updated ref making biological sex a protected characteristic.

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It's definitely all Labour's fault and not the fault of the actual people in government.

CrappySack · 31/03/2024 20:42

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/03/2024 19:18

It's not aboutism to point out what the Tory government have done in their 14 years in office @Absym. It's Politics and Current Affairs.

Labour are an unknown quantity. This Tory government is a shitshow and detrimental to women, children and the whole UK.

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According to OP, it's only aboutism when people are pointing out the actual shit the Tory government have done, not the imagined shit Labour might do (and that the Tories are currently doing 🤫)

CrappySack · 31/03/2024 20:39

Absym · 31/03/2024 19:04

Do you? I don’t think you do. Same as you don’t see what’s right in your face. Maybe you don’t care. Because if you did, you wouldn’t enable it by voting for a party who are proud of the fact they hate women.

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That's why I'm not voting Tory.

They have proven time and time again that they don't give a shit about women.

Hopefully most women aren't naïve enough to believe that they've had a complete U-turn.

DuesToTheDirt · 31/03/2024 19:55

ResisterRex · 31/03/2024 18:39

We haven't "survived the indoctrination of our children". Far from it and another area that would have been a slam dunk for the Opposition (certainly a topic where they should've been holding the government's feet to the fire), and you need only look at Wales to see what will be cemented in England under them.

The only reason we've not been completely fucked here, is the Tories realising belatedly how terrible a decision self-ID would be, and the Lords. The Lords are the unsung, key difference and the reason why - without an unencumbered second chamber - Wales and Scotland have failed to safeguard their populations. It's why we've not gone the way of most other western nations. The Dentons Playbook didn't reckon on our peers. They are the only thing that will stop the worst excesses of Labour or - worse - a Lab/Lib/Green coalition.

Indeed they have stopped the worst excesses of some Tory policies (think: protest law which was rejected as an add-on and a debate was forced), and just recently the arguments formed there against "conversion therapy" (ie transing gay kids) were head and shoulders above what we've heard in the Commons.

Every time I see a petition/post/etc. championing the removal of the House of Lords because it has no place in a democratic society, I think, "Uh, no. Thank God it's there." And not just for women's rights - their work is very varied, and counterintuitively it often seems to be focused on ordinary or underprivileged people.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/research-areas/parliament/changing-role-house-lords/government-defeats-house-lords

Government Defeats in the House of Lords

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/research-areas/parliament/changing-role-house-lords/government-defeats-house-lords

Hotgirlwinter · 31/03/2024 19:44

Well it’s not going to take all that long for the young people / women who have been captured by this nonsense to find the hard way is it.

As much as it pains me to say, when it is them, their sister, their mother, their best friend being assaulted, raped, harmed then gaslight and lied to - they are going to feel very differently and really fucking stupid.

I think a lot of women (me included) didn’t really understand the implications of gender id and stood very much in the “live and let live” camp without any actual critical understanding of what it really means. The “be kind” mantra really did a number on a lot of us but now most of us are well aware of the consequences of gender ideology and can see what is coming a mile off.

I hope to god our younger generations start to cotton on quickly. Perhaps when they see their mothers being placed on mixed wards and being refused the dignity of female only spaces and being called a bigoted old fool by people who are meant to care for and protect them, they will realise what they have done

Soigneur · 31/03/2024 19:37

Rainbowshit · 31/03/2024 19:14

BIossomtoes
We don’t have self Id, pet. Theresa May dropped her bill in 2017.

So can you explain why we have biologically and legally male people in female prisons, rape crisis centres, hospital wards, sports, female only jobs, scholarships, prizes etc?

Also we might not have self ID, but my feminism does not stop at the borders of my own country, why does yours?

Because the owners/managers/organisers of those institutions and events have chosen to let them in. Not because the law requires them to. The law allows for the creation of single sex spaces but it doesn’t mandate them.

If you want to create sports events that have a strictly female category you certainly can (cycling, swimming, rugby and plenty of other sports do just this). If you want to establish a shelter that only allows females, then you can do so (JKR has done exactly this).

The reason that we have so many supposedly women’s spaces that are nothing of the kind is not because of a failure of the law, but because of a failure of nerve.

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