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To think that unless the leaders in this country stand up to this sht, women and children’s rights are totally fcked?

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Absym · 27/03/2024 12:20

Sadly Spain is providing ample evidence of why this is all a terrible idea.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/26/spains-trans-equality-law-is-a-predators-charter/

Spain’s ‘trans equality’ law is a predator’s charter

Gender self-ID has eviscerated women’s rights.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/26/spains-trans-equality-law-is-a-predators-charter/

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Absym · 29/03/2024 08:18

BIossomtoes · 27/03/2024 23:12

I was only thinking earlier that it must be at least a week since we had one of these threads.

Anyone would think it is an important issue for women.

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EasternStandard · 29/03/2024 06:14

Absym · 28/03/2024 23:14

Spain seems quite forward thinking on women's rights.

No. If a man can legally ‘be a woman’, by simply saying ‘I identify as a woman’, then women don’t really exist in their own right at all, do they. It’s not ‘a trans issue’ at all. It’s a women's rights issue.

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I’m not sure how the pp missed the harms in the article tbh

Also agree with @MidgeGreensteet

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Absym · 28/03/2024 23:14

Kendodd · 28/03/2024 22:03

Reading that article, I don't blame some police and military officers changing gender from m to f. 15% more money as a motherhood premium. Setting the trans issue aside, Spain seems quite forward thinking on women's rights.

Spain seems quite forward thinking on women's rights.

No. If a man can legally ‘be a woman’, by simply saying ‘I identify as a woman’, then women don’t really exist in their own right at all, do they. It’s not ‘a trans issue’ at all. It’s a women's rights issue.

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Toseland · 28/03/2024 22:08

Women and children are in a precarious situation.
We've been shouting as loud as we can and women's concerns are just ignored.
The Labour leader and mps are taking the piss.
It's not funny seeing your rights being stripped and to be threatened but and told to bekind but that is what they are doing - on purpose.

CarrotCake01 · 28/03/2024 22:06

It genuinely scares me! I do believe that a really small percentage of the population have gender dysmorphia, and I really feel for them. It doesn't sound like a nice condition at all and I don't wish it on anyone.

The problem is that being transgender has become a social contagion and it's seen as normal and cool to "identify" as other things so we're seeing it EVERYWHERE, despite the condition only really effecting a small number of people. (Now, we have children growing up thinking it's as common as asthma!) & that it's kind and accepting to let men into women only spaces. That its "inclusive" to let adult men compete against females in sports.

Very concerning stuff for the women of the future!

Kendodd · 28/03/2024 22:03

Reading that article, I don't blame some police and military officers changing gender from m to f. 15% more money as a motherhood premium. Setting the trans issue aside, Spain seems quite forward thinking on women's rights.

Absym · 28/03/2024 22:02

BloodyHellKenAgain · 28/03/2024 21:54

Now come on, I really dont think that's true. Look at how The Guardian reports this nonsense compared to The Times and (whisper it) the Daily Heil.

Also, look at how The Guardian treated Suzanne Moore and Hadley Freeman.

And how the Observer treated Julie Burchill ..

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Absym · 28/03/2024 21:56

PuttingOutFirewithGasoline · 28/03/2024 21:36

Unfortunately, and this was me also... People don't quite understand what's going on.

Most people are liberal and live and let live in the UK.

So it rumbles on in the background... What's wrong with trans people wanting xyz.

I only become engaged when I was intrigued on here to wonder why jk Rowling was being maligned.

Some excellent posts later and it all made sense and I started to do more research.

Thank goodness for JKR!

To think that unless the leaders in this country stand up to this sht, women and children’s rights are totally fcked?
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BloodyHellKenAgain · 28/03/2024 21:54

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 27/03/2024 13:28

The left wing media? Here in the UK?!
Hardly.
They're mainly all "captured" (to use a favourite word on here) by Murdoch so not exactly left wing!

Now come on, I really dont think that's true. Look at how The Guardian reports this nonsense compared to The Times and (whisper it) the Daily Heil.

Also, look at how The Guardian treated Suzanne Moore and Hadley Freeman.

Absym · 28/03/2024 21:54

I supported trans ideology until I couldn’t anymore

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/04/10/i-supported-trans-ideology-until-i-couldnt-anymore/

’Now, when I reflect on my “switch” from being an unrelenting trans activist/“ally” to being critical of gender identity ideology and legislation, I’m chilled at how easy it was for me — a psychologist (now retired), ostensibly trained to understand the human mind — to become so caught up in the momentum of “trans rights” that I avoided critical thought, much like a new member of a cult. And, while I’m reluctant to call trans activism a “cult,” I’m aware of many disconcerting similarities: the absolute refusal to allow anyone to criticize issues; silencing, smearing, and ostracizing those who do ask questions (in this case, labeling them “transphobic”) about the ideology of transgenderism; and pressuring individuals (from parents to health professionals) to blindly adhere to the view that some people are “born in the wrong body,” and that the only way to “fix” this error is through medical intervention, such as puberty-suppressing drugs, cross-sex hormones, and various surgeries, rather than with psychological intervention. And, much like in a cult, those who push gender identity ideology discourage independent thought, and instead respond to requests for evidence and facts to support their beliefs with platitudes, mantras, and scare tactics, repeated over and over, until they become reality.’

I supported trans ideology until I couldn’t anymore

Alicia Hendley bought into gender identity ideology (and went after anyone who challenged her), until she couldn’t ignore the facts any longer.

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/04/10/i-supported-trans-ideology-until-i-couldnt-anymore/

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Absym · 28/03/2024 21:53

PuttingOutFirewithGasoline · 28/03/2024 21:43

We need a panorama or something on this to explain what is happening.

Unfortunately the BBC is completely ‘captured’ .

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PuttingOutFirewithGasoline · 28/03/2024 21:43

We need a panorama or something on this to explain what is happening.

Binglebong · 28/03/2024 21:42

That article is terrifying.

PuttingOutFirewithGasoline · 28/03/2024 21:36

Unfortunately, and this was me also... People don't quite understand what's going on.

Most people are liberal and live and let live in the UK.

So it rumbles on in the background... What's wrong with trans people wanting xyz.

I only become engaged when I was intrigued on here to wonder why jk Rowling was being maligned.

Some excellent posts later and it all made sense and I started to do more research.

Absym · 28/03/2024 21:18

Rainbowshit · 28/03/2024 21:11

But...but we're told there are no problems with self id internationally. Could that be a lie? 🤔

🤔 I I don’t know. Shall we look at the evidence…?

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Rainbowshit · 28/03/2024 21:11

But...but we're told there are no problems with self id internationally. Could that be a lie? 🤔

Absym · 28/03/2024 21:03

MidgeGreensteet · 28/03/2024 19:32

Im so fucking sick of having to repeat this but here we go again...The reason this shit has "happened under the Tories" is because its a global trend which has taken hold in almost all developed countries. It was going to happen whichever party was in power. There has, at least, been some push back under the current government (Cass review, clarification of the Equality Act etc).

I believe protection of womens rights and an exploratory approach for people experiencing gender distress will be much less likely with any other party in power at Westminster apart from the Conservatives. You can choose to put your fingers in your ears or decide that other issues are more important but dont kid yourself that womens rights arent going to be fucked under Labour.

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Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 28/03/2024 19:34

Cancelledcurio · 27/03/2024 12:28

Not just women/ children's rights, also worker's rights.
Tories : health and safety at work , accident cover /holiday and sickness pay/maternity pay/right to strike/protest will go if they get re elected as well as making you work till you drop dead. Will be very much like America where they have hardly any holidays and work very long hours.
If you are poor, you are screwed.

This is just utter nonsense

MidgeGreensteet · 28/03/2024 19:32

Im so fucking sick of having to repeat this but here we go again...The reason this shit has "happened under the Tories" is because its a global trend which has taken hold in almost all developed countries. It was going to happen whichever party was in power. There has, at least, been some push back under the current government (Cass review, clarification of the Equality Act etc).

I believe protection of womens rights and an exploratory approach for people experiencing gender distress will be much less likely with any other party in power at Westminster apart from the Conservatives. You can choose to put your fingers in your ears or decide that other issues are more important but dont kid yourself that womens rights arent going to be fucked under Labour.

Absym · 28/03/2024 19:26

People can vote for who they like.

I’m not going to vote for the Labour party whilst their leader ‘believes’ 🙄 that thousands of women have penises.

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Cancelledcurio · 28/03/2024 19:10

All this has been happening under the Tories though so what will be different?The Tories have reduced safeguarding in local authorities, have allowed schools to buy in services for their own sex education (with concerning results in alot of causes - hello Stonewall), have continued to fund the likes of Stonewall very generously as a government quango, not to mention Gendered Intelligence, Allsorts etc, we have also seen how the NHS has been allowed to be semi privatised and Stonewall etc influence policy within that; indeed a woman was raped while a patient and told she couldnt have been as no male had been in her ward (or something like that ) ,turned out she was gaslight as a trans woman - a male patient had indeed been present on her ward and she alleged was the person who raped her . This has happened underthe Tories.
Did anyone vote for that last election?
Doubt it but they did all that!
So I'll try Labour this time- at least more children might go to bed with a full tummy

BIossomtoes · 27/03/2024 23:12

I was only thinking earlier that it must be at least a week since we had one of these threads.

Cancelledcurio · 27/03/2024 23:04

*woman
damn my eyes

Cancelledcurio · 27/03/2024 23:04

@passthepenguin well we cannot be sure that Labour will win the general election. I have been here before. In 1992 and in 2015, we thought Labour were going to win the General Election. Yes The Tories are fecked in the polls but I can't be sure that the won't make a comeback. Basically as a pretty poor women, I would say my situation is that I am screwed either way but I will hedge my bets with Labour. I might be able to eat a bit better and maybe less black women will die in child birth. It's shite situation all round. The SNP are a disgusting authoritarion party who have conned Scotland.

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