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GoldHold · 25/03/2024 09:45

Person A asked person B for a lift to the station after work. Person B drove through a restricted zone at the station, was caught on camera and has been issued a fine. Person B wants person A to pay. Person A has refused. Who is BU?

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LookItsMeAgain · 25/03/2024 18:14

BeyondMyWits · 25/03/2024 09:56

If A doesn't offer to pay at least half, good luck getting a lift ever again. Yes, B is the driver in charge of the vehicle, but wouldn't be in this position if they weren't doing a favour (A asked for a lift), so common decency would dictate an offer to pay.

This.

ThisMama1 · 25/03/2024 17:49

If I was A I’d offer to split the cost, if I was B then I’d just pay it. It’s the drivers responsibility really to be aware but I’d feel bad as the passenger too

ErrolTheDragon · 25/03/2024 17:28

In that case you'd be forking out for taxi and uber fines. Driver is responsible for the vehicle so the driver pays.

Nah. They're driving professionally, not as a free favour. Not remotely comparable.

IvorTheEngineDriver · 25/03/2024 17:25

ErrolTheDragon · 25/03/2024 12:34

In this case, because the journey was purely for the passenger's benefit.

While of course it's legally the driver's responsibility, I'd feel morally obliged not to leave someone out of pocket if they made this sort of mistake while doing me a favour.

In that case you'd be forking out for taxi and uber fines. Driver is responsible for the vehicle so the driver pays.

Why they were making that journey or for whose benefit is irrelevant.

GwinGwyn · 25/03/2024 16:55

If I had been B I wouldn't even have told A about the fine - it's my car, I'm the driver, it's my responsibility, regardless of whether I was doing a favour for someone else or not.

Caluse · 25/03/2024 16:04

I think A should offer half, if they are aware of the fine.

Thelittleweasel · 25/03/2024 16:01

@GoldHold

Please do not forget that you must have been notified of the fine within 14 days.

[Schedule 4 Protection of Freedoms Act]. If you were not you can get the fine dropped. I got off £100 with NCP who took 4 months; they operate by bluff!

Ilovemyshed · 25/03/2024 15:55

Person B, they are driving and reading the signs and made the mistake.

DeedlessIndeed · 25/03/2024 15:53

The only thing Driver B can do is not to offer lifts going forward. They are responsible for the vehicle and therefore have to pay the fine.

They cannot make Passenger A pay for a fine on the basis that they were giving a lift.

Having said that, if I were a passenger, I'd offer to pay something towards it.

iwafs · 25/03/2024 15:49

I think the thing about this case is that the restrictions can be very tricky. It’s not as though the driver was doing 50 in a 30 limit. What happened was obviously a mistake, with tricky signage and restrictions. The mistake wouldn’t have happened if the other person hadn’t asked for a lift. That’s why I think the person who asked for the lift ought to offer half the fine.

Trophyfoot · 25/03/2024 15:28

I'm really surprised at some of the morr aggressive responses here. As the driver, I'd expect to pay, probably wouldn't mention it, but as the passenger I'd be mortified that giving me a lift, that I was cheeky enough to ask for, had cost them so much and immediately offer to pay.

I really don't think non drivers who rely on lifts and aren't shy about asking for them, have a clue about the costs involved in running a car and yes, those include expensive mistakes we all make occasionally.

Malarandras · 25/03/2024 15:19

There’s no question that the driver pays. They were in charge of the vehicle so up to them to follow road signs and drive accordingly.

a222 · 25/03/2024 15:17

if i was person A i would’ve offered a contribution to the fine, or offered to pay.

if i was person B i would never dream of asking though, end of the day they were the one driving.

honestly person B asking would make me not want to pay cuz it would annoy me.

whynotwhatknot · 25/03/2024 14:55

its driver respoonsibility-if tey went somewere diferent and got a fine but were alone its still teir fault

sanityisamyth · 25/03/2024 14:44

Person driving is responsible.

IncompleteSenten · 25/03/2024 14:44

It is the drivers responsibility to pay. You're behind the wheel and it is 100% on you to see the signs, follow the instructions etc.
That said I would if I was the passenger offer half because it only happened because they were giving me a lift. Only half though because it was their responsibility to be aware of their surroundings.

SpringleDingle · 25/03/2024 14:41

Driver should pay!

diddl · 25/03/2024 14:35

I thought that if the passenger is over 14 then the seat belt wearing is their own responsibility? I wouldn't be paying for another adult's idiocy.

I always thought it was up to the driver to check that passengers are strapped in before setting off.

Love51 · 25/03/2024 14:17

BIossomtoes · 25/03/2024 13:56

If I was B the passenger would never know about the fine. I got stopped once because one of my passengers wasn’t wearing a seatbelt - back in the days with no alerts on the dash or beeping noises. It was clearly their fault but equally I didn’t check so I paid the fine.

I would usually say driver pays, because they are the person that infringed the restriction. However, I thought that if the passenger is over 14 then the seat belt wearing is their own responsibility? I wouldn't be paying for another adult's idiocy.
The only seat belt resistant child I've ever driven was my own, and he knew that the privilege of a lift would be revoked if basic safety rules weren't followed!

Thistooshallpsss · 25/03/2024 14:13

Same thing happened to me I got a fine giving a friend a lift but of course never told her why would anyone do that?

kitsuneghost · 25/03/2024 14:03

B is responsible. But if I were A I would have offered to pay.
I have been B and A offered to pay but I declined. My fault.

BasiliskStare · 25/03/2024 14:00

B pays the fine A offers a contribution .

hopscotcher · 25/03/2024 14:00

BIossomtoes · 25/03/2024 13:56

If I was B the passenger would never know about the fine. I got stopped once because one of my passengers wasn’t wearing a seatbelt - back in the days with no alerts on the dash or beeping noises. It was clearly their fault but equally I didn’t check so I paid the fine.

Agree - if I was B I wouldn't tell A about the fine either. It's not A's responsibility to pay someone else's driving fines.
I got caught speeding whilst giving my mum a lift somewhere a few years ago - should I have asked her to contribute towards the fine?

easylikeasundaymorn · 25/03/2024 13:58

p1ppyL0ngstocking · 25/03/2024 09:52

It's for the driver to pay, although if I was A I'd be offering half minimum.

Equally as B, I would brush off every future request for a lift from A with a "no thanks, last time I gave you a lift it cost me £50".

A can't expect to be driven round by other for free, it takes time, energy and a lot of money to run a car. A should be prepared to get a taxi in future.

this, basically!

While B is of course legally responsible for the fine, people saying B 'chose' to drive through the restricted zone are assuming B did so deliberately or wasn't paying attention - some places are just terribly signposted/make it almost impossible to avoid the restricted area, particularly if you don't know where you're going.

BIossomtoes · 25/03/2024 13:56

If I was B the passenger would never know about the fine. I got stopped once because one of my passengers wasn’t wearing a seatbelt - back in the days with no alerts on the dash or beeping noises. It was clearly their fault but equally I didn’t check so I paid the fine.