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RoadyMcRoadUser · 24/03/2024 09:23

My son has just turned 4 and we are awaiting a formal ASD/ADHD diagnosis - it has been suggested that he is at the what was formerly known as Asperger’s end of the spectrum (sorry I have no idea what any of the correct terms are, still learning, trying my best not to offend anyone) with significant ADHD.
To summarise he is very bright particularly around numbers and letters (can count into the 100s, can do simple sums like 25+3, can write his name, can read simple words by sight but does not read phonetically if that makes sense, has an excellent memory, very loving and affectionate, is friendly and has good empathy (will alert preschool staff if another child is upset, becomes upset himself if another person is crying and needs reassurance they are ok and being helped) but has social communication issues so although he is verbal and able to answer closed questions and make statements, he cannot maintain back and forth conversations although this is improving little by little. He struggles to follow instructions when hyperactive and is very, very impulsive with zero danger awareness. He is toilet trained although this took me a really long time! No issues as yet with noise/lights/sensory issues. He can have meltdowns when tired or when something triggers him.
He is due to start school in September. We have just got the news that the LA have agreed to issue him an EHCP which mentions throughout he needs a high level of
adult supervision due to his hyperactivity and impulsivity, my friend who is a teacher has read through it with me and believes it to be pretty good albeit a couple of
details I need clarified and then have the final draft all agreed and ironed out.
Every professional who has met and assessed my son has unanimously recommended he attends mainstream primary with a high level of adult supervision. This is what the EHCP recommends.
I fought bloody hard for that EHCP after they turned down the request to assess twice. I was crying with relief when it was finally agreed to issue him with it.
The relatively new manager at the preschool he has attended for the last year dropped a bombshell on me on Friday that she thinks I haven’t thought enough about special school for him. I said this wasn’t what was recommended at any point by multiple professionals who have seen my son over the last year and she said “they don’t tell parents the truth and that’s where I come in”
I made the point that I’m sure developmental paediatricians, ed national psychologists, SEN advisors etc etc etc have had to have difficult conversations with parents before and tell them things they don’t want to hear but she continued to dismiss this. She admitted later in the conversation she hadn’t yet even read the draft EHCP recommendations.
I was so offended that she told me repeatedly if he was her son she would be thinking about the bigger picture of special school. I spend every waking minute worrying about my son’s future. It literally consumes me.
she also said all of this not in the context of a meeting but out of the blue at the preschool gate in front of my son and a couple of other parents who had arrived to collect their kids.
I am absolutely livid at how she has arrogantly dismissed what’s been recommended for my son, inferred repeatedly I’ve not thought enough what’s best for him, and did all of this in front of my son.
It’s left me questioning so much - I had thought for the last year he’s been looked after by a team who care about him and understand him but the way this new manager spoke, I got the vibe that he’s viewed negatively and spoken about negatively amongst them. if this conversation had taken place 6 months ago, I would have walked away and never gone back (I obviously realise I cannot unsettle him by enrolling him in a new preschool for the last 3 months of the summer term
before he starts school in September).
Two questions here really - number one,
is anyone with ASD experience able to advise whether mainstream or specialist school provision is most suitable for a child who presents as my son does?
Question two, am I within my rights to say I don’t want this woman anywhere near transition planning for my son? And as she’s the nursery manager who’s self appointed expert on all topics apparently and is placing herself front and centre of his transition planning, can I actually refuse consent for her to be involved? How does this work?
Any advice or pointers gratefully received.
I am in such a low place with all of this at the moment. Worrying how life will be for him and desperately don’t want to make the wrong decision for him.

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Dizzy82 · 24/03/2024 09:45

My son sounds very similar to yours at that age, he was very bright but struggled with communication. He had an EHCP issued in Reception class at mainstream and due to class size of over 30 we decided to move him to another mainstream with class sizes of 15, he coped for Y1 but struggled as the work load increased in Y2.

He moved to a special primary and came on amazingly well. He is now 18 and at mainstream college, is like a walking encyclopedia and sometimes I wish he would stop talking.

If he's struggling the school will discuss with you and will also talk to the Local Authority if he needs more support and changes to the EHCP. Getting into a special school can be tricky due to limited primary placements. For 4 years at primary my son travelled 80 miles a day, his taxi driver did 160 miles a day.

RoadyMcRoadUser · 24/03/2024 09:44

“He will be assigned a key adult who he is able to build a close relationship with”

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RoadyMcRoadUser · 24/03/2024 09:43

“A personalised learning routine in which he is supported by a skilled adult”

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RoadyMcRoadUser · 24/03/2024 09:42

It does not use the term 1:1 but says as an example he needs “adult support throughout the day” by an adult trained in ASD/ADHD support and mentions specific things such as in the class, at lunchtime and playtime, daily intervention groups to practice social stories and turn taking” , as one example of what’s been recommended

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Octavia64 · 24/03/2024 09:38

The mainstream primary will not pay any attention to the gobby nursery manager.

You can ask to have her not involved in the transition but I'm not sure whether they have to comply.

With respect to the EHCP, the primary will make best efforts to implement it. How watertight is the language that you have in it?

For example, does it state your child must have 1:1 at all times or does it just state he would benefit from it?

Octavia64 · 24/03/2024 09:33

It sounds like you are in a very difficult place.

I am not an expert and cannot advise what is best for your son.

What I can say is that for children like your son who show academic ability while having significant needs in other areas it can be a hard decision which type of schooling is best.

Special schools meet the significant needs in emotional and social areas. They find it harder to meet the academic needs. So parents of children like your son who go to special school often worry they have sacrificed their academic development to their social and emotional needs.

Mainstream primary schools meet the academic needs but find it harder to meet the social and emotional needs. So parents of children like your son who go to mainstream primary often worry about their child being left out of the class socially and being seen as "naughty".

There is a sense in which she is right in that local authorities do not have much money these days and so they tend to recommend that children with needs start in mainstream. It is cheaper. If the child is reasonably successful then that's great.

Some children like your son start in mainstream and don't cope emotionally. They can then go down a path of exclusions, reacting to other children with meltdowns and violence etc which leads to them dropping out of education.

RoadyMcRoadUser · 24/03/2024 09:28

Also sorry another question - are the mainstream primary I’m sending him to more likely to go by the EHCP recommendations and their own observations and assessments or by what the gobby nursery manager says?

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