Jesus held on the cross with nails in his hands

Actually Christmas trees most likely started with Martin Luther. And I was never saying we had lost all of our oagan cultural commodities. Just that these things have not conditioned the culture, the national psyche, and all the services and systems that underpin the country in the way Christendom has.

The MN rightly compared double standards on this site. It has nothing to do with comparing what is going on here with antisemitism.

All forms of religious hate are appalling, whatever the religion and carry equal importance. No one religion is more worthy than another.

People should respect the fact that individuals have a right to follow a path of their own religious choosing or indeed no path at all. We are not in Tudor or Roman times( for example) where people were persecuted for their religious beliefs. Or in fact Ireland in the not to distant past.

Its fine to say I don’t believe in your God or Idol.
Its fine to question its history, formation, beliefs and traditions from an educational perspective.
Its not OK, however, to damn a persons religion or anyone who follows it.
Its all about the wording.

This is how MNHQ look at comments by others on other religions on other threads. They should therefore be treating every religion with equal and due respect.
As the PP mentioned double standards should not be acceptable.

Of course you miss out the parts why I respect peoples rights to believe what they want.

But yes religion should be laughed at, a lot of what these institutions teach is laughable. You have life of Brian which pokes fun at it.

It's ok for religions to persecute people over 1000s of years but moment you have a laugh at it it's all bad.

I find it really disgusting that you want to control what what people think and what they joke about. But then again that's what religion teys to do.

I absolutely agree and if you have been on any of the threads on the Palestinian conflict that would have been slammed by MNs for pages and removed in double quick time by MNHQ.

In terms of Christianity
Only the very very devout believe doing good works buys you a place in heaven.

This idea is all rather old hat now.

In mediaeval times the more money you gave the less chance you had of spending time in purgatory but hell and damnation from the pulpit isn’t preached now.

Some religions still require a number of pilgrimages and / or doing good works are required during your lifetime for salvation, not Christianity.

Im guessing this is what your dd was referring to.

Yes that's all I'm saying. You can disagree with someone's choice of faith without being rude about it.

I though it was disgusting the poster ( I believe it was @Tattletwat) that actually commented religion 'should be open to be questioned and laughed at'. Questioned yes, religious people are open to questioning and in fact it is encouraged by many churches but no religion should be laughed at that is a disgusting thing to say.

Assuming @Bunnygirl1902 is surprised MNHQ haven’t taken the thread down ( or at least some posts) given that if this was a thread on the Conflict in the Middle East section and the comments related to Judaism they would have been removed immediately and posters suspended. That’s been happening for months now.

The poster is quite rightly commenting on MNHQ double standards.

It's literally in many history programmes, books, etc - hence why I said I loved learning these fun facts (eg about crucifixion) as a child. No offense but with every reply I feel like I'm talking to a brainless mob

Get a grip, for Heaven's Sake. It's common knowledge that Christ was crucified. What do you want kids to think, he was lashed to the Cross with liquorice?

There is actually nothing to state it was a cross he was meant to have died on in the Bible, the Romans would attach you to a post a beam a x shaped cross as from the original Greek word stauros and the Latin word crux did not uniquely mean a cross.

Jehovas witness believe he was on a single post without a cross bar.

Religion shouldn't get a free pass it should be open to be questioned and laughed at.

People aren't having a go at individuals in religion rather the institutions.

Christianity has disrespected others beliefs for a long time and killed in the name of it for hundreds of years and you weren't allowed to believe anything different.

I respect peoples right to believe. It doesn't mean I have to respect the religious institutions and I don't.

I find it strange that people who believe in God/s who is this powerful being care what someone says on the internet.

Exactly - where are the stories about the other people who were crucified? Why just Jesus?

? I'm not religious. History exists, crucifixion was a common punishment then. This is why education is probably a good idea (maybe not for kids depending on how sensitive your child is, but definitely for adults...)

All Hallows is celebrated ie a day for the dead.

i went to a catholic school. yanbu. you're 100% right.

Paganism itself doesn’t mean much to me & I’m not interested in worshipping gods or goddesses but the idea of celebrating the seasons and nature does. That’s why I follow the Wheel of The Year. Our ancient ancestors were HERE on our ancient land celebrating our seasons, our animals, the sun and moon etc . Not imported ideas and stories forced upon us like Christianity was. Have you ever been to Stonehenge or Avebury or any of our ancient Neolithic or stone age sites? They were all built around the idea of the movement of the sun, the seasons and nature. This was what our truly unique and beautiful celebrations come from such as the spring festivals and the winter festivals.

I think it’s good we’re all having this conversation. It’s human nature to question and analyse things that have just been accepted along the way. It’s normal progression. As for getting the thread deleted surely that would be just shutting down the discussion as though we aren’t allowed to question ANYTHING we’re told.

Christmas trees? They are pagan.

Hares and eggs in the same field - not a Christian thing.

Throwing money in wells?

Do we even know why Sheela na gig adorns so many old churches?

Christianity as it spread incorporated lots of things from the cultures it was overtaking, we don't celebrate the day of the dead in the UK (or only a few people do).

You know so called "Honor " murders are cultural rather than religious dont you?
I consider it a real shame IF our culture has only progressed due to some peoples belief in an entity that may or may not exist.
Of course we will never know but I like to think we could have progressed quite nicely without Christianity or indeed any Religion but it seems humans are hard wired to want to believe in something and I suppose for many it brings purpose and joy to their lives

You keep using absolutes though. You say zero doubt and all secular historians. That is simply not true. Most may think it, or all may say that he probably existed, but you cannot say that there is 100% agreement that he definitely did.

And it doesn't matter if you "consider" Christianity foundational to your life personally. The fact is, our country, legal system, educational institutions, literary and artistic heritage, health service (I could go on and on) would be radically different without the foundations of Christendom. To name just one example that is absolutely pivotal in the trajectory of an entire culture, the fact that we don't have an "honour" culture is thanks to Christianity.

Its not to much information at all. Stop being dramatic!!

If you assessed all ancient historical events by the same measuring stick (only external, unbiased sources), then we couldn't even be sure of things such as the existence of Alexander the Great. Secular historians all affirm that Jesus existed.