Jesus held on the cross with nails in his hands

You're mocking people's beliefs in this "institution".

Exactly

Seeing as you only decide d to quote part of it.

"And there you go exactly the same as said, no one is talking about not respecting people's right to believe that isn't what people are saying

But people have every right to mock and ridicule the institutions of religion, if you can't separate the two then that is a you problem"

If you can't separate people mocking a institution, rather than a person.

But let's call people's opinions shite.

Words can be hate speech
In commenting that religion should be laughed at ( for example) that’s not an attack on an individual but by ridiculing a persons belief it is an attack on them. You may not see it that way as you are atheist ( correct me if I’m wrong I think I spotted that on a prev post ) but to a believer of whatever religion they could well find such comments extremely upsetting and damning to their religious beliefs and way of life.

So you see many will not separate ridicule of an institution to personal ridicule and it’s therefore relevant to point this out to an atheist

There is freedom of speech and there is also respect.

Suggest reading @Whereareallthemillionaires article they highlighted. It’s very interesting.

Well I think it disgraceful to think laughing and ridiculing someone’s beliefs is disgraceful. Like@Tattletwat I have respect for others.

So there.

But people have every right to mock and ridicule the institutions of religion, if you can't separate the two then that is a you problem
Eh? What does this pile of shite even mean? 🙄

Exactly.
As I pointed out this is old hat and was something that was preached from the pulpit but never part of the religion.
If PPs teacher is teaching this as part of the Christian religion they should be pointing out whilst it may be historically accurate for a period it is not accurate from a religious perspective.

What the heck you on about im on about she keeps ignoring this in her replies to me, nothing to do with working.

And there you go exactly the same as said, o no one is talking about not respecting people's right to believe that isn't what people are saying

But people have every right to mock and ridicule the institutions of religion, if you can't separate the two then that is a you problem.

Maybe she’s working! and just not on MN at the moment.
Personally I think she’s made her point. Agree or disagree at your will.

I think laughing and ridiculing someone’s beliefs is disgraceful.
Like @Bunnygirl1902 i have respect for others.

@Bunnygirl1902 comment doesn’t relate to her belief or the fact that she even has one, just the fact that she respects peoples right to believe as they wish and their right to not be ridiculed and laughed at by MNs.

There is an interesting article on the criticism of peoples religious beliefs by

Richard Moon entitled ‘ Are there limits to the criticism or ridicule of religion?
(id link it but I can’t seem to at the moment)

The basic conclusion is centred around the hurt and harm peoples ‘words’ have on others.

I haven’t read the bible or any religious texts - no need to

My children had never been to church at that age either - we’re atheist, so why would they? They also got a pretty graphic lesson on Easter as I remember although my biggest issue was the brought in god squad telling my unchristened children that they were going to hell. That was a fun conversation! They are not traumatised in any way incidentally as I told them it was all nonsense (in my opinion).

Exactly.
I know some very nice Catholics for example and count several as friends. I whole heartedly support their right to hold and practice their beliefs
I absolutely loathe the Catholic Church as an Institution though and alsmost lost a very dear friend by refusing to go to her sons Confirmation (I think thats what it was, some ceremony in a big catholic church anyway)

Which is what I've said multiple times but bunnygirl1902 keeps ignoring that fact for some reason.

And you keep missing out where I keep saying I respect peoples right to their beliefs, wonder why you keep doing that.

I'm not laughing at them I'm laughing at the religion

Apologies I meant to say Old and New Testament in the last para

Well, but I do respect you, @Bunnygirl1902 (even though I don't know you).

I just think some of the things you may believe are silly - laughably so.

What's wrong with that?

You can respect someone's right to practise their religion while still laughing at the religion itself.

This is Old Testament stuff and not exclusive to Christianity.

Those religions who follow the text of the Old Testament do not necessarily all believe the ‘stories’ are literal.
Jonah and the Whale for example. The point of the story can be lost by those who literally believe Jonah lived so long inside the whale and spend more time questioning whether this is possible than actually appreciating the point of the story.

A lot of old and New Testament stories are
to some just stories as a way of explaining an idea
to others a literal event

Not all Christians and other religions who use the Old Testament therefore believe the bible is full of literal events but more stories with some historical basis ( ie people were crucified by the Romans ) that can be used as a way of leading a good life.

The people who choose to follow Christianity deserve respect. They are still human beings and just because they don't hold the same beliefs as you do not make them any less deserving of respect regardless of how you feel about Christianity as a whole or it's history.

Have you seen what Christianity has done over last 2000 years, respect is not something it deserves.

It's not about controlling what you or anyone else wants to think but as a mature adult I would have thought you would have learnt the valuable life skill of being able to voice your opinion whilst also maintaining a level of dignity and respect for yourself and others.

Yes I do say that and I stand by it. You can have your opinions without being rude. If you choose not to follow any faith be it Christianity or any other religion that is entirely your decision and I respect that. It wouldn't do you any harm to show others that do however the same respect in return.

Only the very very devout believe doing good works buys you a place in heaven.

Actually this is completely antithetical to Christian doctrine. Christianity teaches salvation by grace for the repentant, and that anyone who tries to earn their way into heaven through good works is condemned because God's standard is impossible for a sinful human to meet. That's why Jesus died on the cross. To take our punishment in our place so that we could go to heaven.

Salvation by works is a doctrine of Islam, but definitely not Christianity.

Most churches actually have a Statement of Faith on their website in which they jave to affirm they believe in salvation by grace, not good works. Anyone who believes in salvation by works is not "devout". They're simply not a Christian.

It isabsolutely true that any historian who denies the existence of Jesus is simply not credible and wouldn't be taken seriously by their peers in the field.