Jesus held on the cross with nails in his hands

Are you sure?

He is risen 🙌

https://www.twinkl.ie/teaching-wiki/big-bang

good explanation here - it’s amazing how our world was created

So where did the energy come from?

Happy to be corrected on this as it's way outside my field of expertise, but my understanding was that if energy is compressed enough, it can form matter? And that is a highly simplified version of the Big Bang theory?

Which isn't entirely incompatible with the concept of creation, depending on how you look at it.

No, Big Bang is more-or-less conventional wisdom. And 'came from nothing' looks most likely.

But that's just science. Not necessarily ('logically') true.

But isn't the Universe expanding, which means it must have once been a single mass? Is the Big Bang theory out of date nowadays?

Perhaps it didn't come from anywhere. Perhaps it's just always been.

Of course it's possible it came from nothing.

Which is more likely, always been or came from nothing?

Is there another possibility? What, if so?

If its not possible to get something from nothing, where the fuck did The Universe come from?

All churches control people in one way or another and most of them put it in their ‘rule’ books….some as we know are very extreme.
Religion is for those who are at peace with being controlled. If people need something to lean on, whether is religion, gin or a shopping fix I don’t have a problem with it.

Well, the average crucifix is pretty graphic in that it shows a bleeding, agonised man being executed! But I think children raised in a Catholic environment don’t even register that, because it’s as ordinary as wallpaper.

On the virgin birth, various gods/significant figures in different religions get great ‘exceptional birth’ stories. Buddha was born from his mother’s armpit. Athena from Zeus’s forehead (after he ate her mother, having impregnated her the normal way…) etc.

Some medieval paintings depict Mary conceiving via the ear.

"The idea that something came from nothing ... is a logical impossibility."

No it's not. It might be it's not true that something came from nothing...

(... Although you might like to investigate the 'Schwinger effect', and perhaps look at Out-of-equilibrium criticalities in graphene superlattices, Science Vol. 375, No. 6579, which mentions "Schwinger-like production of hot electron-hole plasma". (See "... graphene enables Schwinger effect" for lay-person's explanation.)

--Or, well, lots of cosmologists think 'something out of nothing' was surely true at least once ...)

... but it's in any case certainly not logically impossible.

Why would anyone think it was?

[Oh, and "God can do whatever he likes," you say: what if he likes to do logically impossible things? There are some such, though your example isn't one; can God do them?]

Well if that isn’t a typical MN comment I don’t know what is 😝 ‘grow up’ nice.

Everyone is sooo offended right now.

Actually Easter/Ostara for a lot of people IS about bunnies and eggs. It’s origins in our ancient Celtic/English/Irish/Neo-lithic culture are about celebrating new life (eggs), fertility (rabbits and hares) and the arrival of spring. This is what our ancestors would have celebrated long before Christianity arrived here with the Romans.
I’m SO offended you think it’s about Jesus….

YABU unless they’re being shown some graphic depiction of course.
@CryHavoc I can recall watching that too, can’t remember how old I was though.

Ffs the Easter bunny. I’m catholic and it offends me! Grow up OP! That is the Easter story, it’s not about chocolate eggs and bunnies.

I’m aware of the topic hence my comment being very relevant.

Well that's up to you to decide. We're discussing theology.

When you put it like that, the story is obviously not true. Not possible.

Jesus having to be born of a virgin does not mean that sex is a sin, not by any means. Song of Solomon in the Bible clearly shows that God created sex to be something joyful, intimate and passionate.

My understanding is that Jesus was born of a virgin so that he would be "begotten" not created. He is God come down to live among us. He always existed. He didn't come into being at one moment as we did when we were conceived.

I sm Catholic ( now agnostic) too, and this is how I understood it. FWIW I think it is a load of old bunkum too. I also think Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. The whole ' sex ascsin' concept has been invented by the Catholic Church to control people.

Looked it up out of curiosity and it seems that some believe in the 'perpetual virginity of Mary' and so they don't believe that they are Jesus's brothers, some think they are his cousins because he also had an Auntie Mary (Don't we all? 😂) and others believe they were Josephs sons from a former marriage!

Well she obviously had sex with her husband at some point because she went on to have other children, Jesus's brothers, who are mentioned in the Bible.

HRTFT, but I think we should always look on the bright side of life

Which of the gods?

Taught my class about Holy Week this term.
The only thing that shocked them was that Judas kissed Jesus to betray him!
They were horrified! (They definitely knew about Judas before - must be my amazing teacher setting the scene and atmosphere!) 😂