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Protest against SATS?

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Bluelagoonlover · 18/03/2024 16:34

My daughter in year 6 is getting really stressed about SATS. She's also stressed about not doing SATS and being the odd one out. Anyone else in a similar situation and thinking about peaceful protest / objecting?

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SpeedwellBlue · 19/03/2024 01:29

What will you do if she feels stressed about taking year 7 exams?

sblitit · 18/03/2024 22:11

Bluelagoonlover · 18/03/2024 20:58

Because she is stressed about it and I love her and want the best for her.

It's the reaction to the exams that is the issue, rather than the exams themselves. So if you want what is best for her you won't make a fuss about the tests, you'll help her to cope with them and help her to realise they're no big deal.Then, when she gets to secondary school, she will cope with exams much better.

DonnaBanana · 18/03/2024 21:38

The whole point of exams is to see how children stack up and are doing. What next.. protest A levels or GCSEs? We can’t all win everything. Tell them to do their best and it’s hardly the end of the world if they don’t do great on SATs anyway. Good practice for the GCSE process years later.

Iamnotthe1 · 18/03/2024 21:25

I'm so glad to see that there are more posters challenging some of the misinformation being posted and sharing the accurate information about SATs and why they matter for the child.

If a child is showing signs of being stressed then, by all means, speak with the teacher and see what can be done to help. I will say that feeling a little stress at this point is actually normal and, in small doses, desireable. It shows that the child understands that the exams matter and are motivated to do their best. If it's beyond that then it does need addressing.

However, a couple of points:

  • parents do not have the right to withdraw their child from national exams. The headteacher has that option and may agree but, if they don't, the child will be sitting the exams if they are physically in the building during the two week window,
  • sending your child to secondary school with no official data makes them, progress data-wise, irrelevant. There can be significant knock-on implications of this.
Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 18/03/2024 21:22

Bluelagoonlover · 18/03/2024 21:15

About the fact that I might not take her to school for the test. It is my decision whether she does it or not.

Unfortunately she may need to sit them when she returns and will be kept away from her friends who by that time might be doing the fun year 6 stuff which she will miss until she has completed all the tests she has missed.

Can you ask about her sitting them in a smaller room if she is very stressed about it.

2mummies1baby · 18/03/2024 21:17

Bluelagoonlover · 18/03/2024 21:15

About the fact that I might not take her to school for the test. It is my decision whether she does it or not.

Is it also your decision whether or not she does her GCSEs? Because teaching her she can opt out of mandatory tests because mummy says she can is going to royally screw her over in the future.

2mummies1baby · 18/03/2024 21:15

Bluelagoonlover · 18/03/2024 21:10

To give them a heads up out of courtesy. I find it incredible that vaccination is voluntary, but sats are sold as being mandatory, it's totally ridiculous.

But what are you giving them a heads up about?! At no point have you actually said what you're planning to do!

Bluelagoonlover · 18/03/2024 21:15

MrsKeats · 18/03/2024 21:11

A heads up about what?
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

About the fact that I might not take her to school for the test. It is my decision whether she does it or not.

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sewknit56 · 18/03/2024 21:12

Sometimes children have to do things that are stressful and things they don't want to do. All through secondary they will be tested so let her get used to the system now. You cant pull her out in every year group when they get stressed because they have a stress.... and especially not for GCSEs's.

MrsKeats · 18/03/2024 21:11

A heads up about what?
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Bluelagoonlover · 18/03/2024 21:10

2mummies1baby · 18/03/2024 21:06

What would be the purpose of writing to the school, out of interest? The school have to enter children into the SATs; they can't just opt out. I promise you, the Head and Year 6 teachers are stressed about it too!

To give them a heads up out of courtesy. I find it incredible that vaccination is voluntary, but sats are sold as being mandatory, it's totally ridiculous.

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JoleneTookHerMan · 18/03/2024 21:09

Mammabear23 · 18/03/2024 16:47

My child is quite behind. I can't see her meeting any of the standards for her age group. My expectation of her is clear. She goes in and tries her best. I've explained to her the results don't have consequences for her. The teacher told me this too.

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Exactly the same. I think they just put unnecessary pressure on young kids, and some never quite caught up after missing so much through COVID.
Her mental health is so much more important than a SATs score.

2mummies1baby · 18/03/2024 21:08

Bluelagoonlover · 18/03/2024 20:58

Because she is stressed about it and I love her and want the best for her.

What's the relevance of talking to the teacher about that?!

Bluelagoonlover · 18/03/2024 21:08

Caravaggiouch · 18/03/2024 20:59

Seems to me that protesting it, removing her from them etc makes them a much bigger deal than just encouraging her to try her best but emphasising that this is all that’s expected of her. People don’t generally protest about things which aren’t particularly significant - so if you do, you’re the one making them out to be really important.

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Good point.

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2mummies1baby · 18/03/2024 21:06

Bluelagoonlover · 18/03/2024 16:45

I'm going to talk to the teacher. Peaceful protest would be writing a letter to the school, lea and government explaining our point of view.

What would be the purpose of writing to the school, out of interest? The school have to enter children into the SATs; they can't just opt out. I promise you, the Head and Year 6 teachers are stressed about it too!

Eaterysarnie · 18/03/2024 21:02

I think unfortunately sats are needed. As certainly at dc school without it they do not push kids at all. Even with it as a target they helped some kids more than others , focussing on the ones getting exceeding. Plus they were wrong completely with their predicted score. In terms of english dc got 113 at 7 on ks1 but only just got 110 at ks2 as she works slowly and it was a very tricky test.
Re setting at secondary dc moved up missing the data and moved up sets when they received the resukts. Possibly dc would have moved up anyway but not so many sets.

Anyway secondary as you will know if you have older dc is fullllll of tests. Dc1 is having one for maths/sci/geo/history/mfl every term so maybe 36 tests a year!

Caravaggiouch · 18/03/2024 20:59

Seems to me that protesting it, removing her from them etc makes them a much bigger deal than just encouraging her to try her best but emphasising that this is all that’s expected of her. People don’t generally protest about things which aren’t particularly significant - so if you do, you’re the one making them out to be really important.

Bluelagoonlover · 18/03/2024 20:58

MrsKeats · 18/03/2024 20:56

So why are you going to speak to the teacher then?

Because she is stressed about it and I love her and want the best for her.

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ThursdayTomorrow · 18/03/2024 20:58

Experiencing some stress is good for children. It’s part of life. Think of it as like a vaccine - a small amount of stress now, prepares them to respond better to stress in the future.

Growlybear83 · 18/03/2024 20:57

Muchtoomuchtodo · 18/03/2024 20:45

Testing is an integral part of our education system so trying to find ways to reassure your dd and help her to feel less stressed would be helpful now and going forwards.

In Wales we have mandatory national testing for pupils in Years 2 to 9 schools in The assessments are for numeracy - procedural, numeracy - reasoning and reading / comprehension.

Because they’re done every year they don’t seem to be anywhere near such a big deal as they’re made out to be in England.

I agree with this. I'm in my sixties and when I was at infant and junior school we took formal tests twice every year. When it came to the 11 plus, no-one was bothered by it because it was just another test. It prepared us well for secondary school where again we were tested twice each year in every subject.

KatieKat88 · 18/03/2024 20:56

icclemunchy · 18/03/2024 20:08

So if a child arrives at your school from an independent (who don't sit SATs) or from abroad they could be out into the lowest sets because that's where there is space and never taken out of it? Even if they were extremely capable?

That seems... Unlikely? Ridiculous? Bloody lazy?

At the end of the day OP you know your child best. If it will be better for her to not sit them then withdraw her. High school will work itself out one way or the other. Sure you may have to make a fuss, but sitting SATs doesn't magically unlock support, chances are you'll still need to fight if she needs it.

Not never moved, that would indeed be daft. But if they're in a set for several subjects it takes time to get data from each of them, often relies on teachers coming to me to say 'hey, they'd do better at a faster/slower pace' and then I have to find space for that to happen. I'll look at data myself but that's half a term/a term where they've been in the wrong set for them. It's doable if it's only a few kids (like in your examples) but if there are lots without previous data it gets tricky to move lots of students around and then parents and students complain there's a lack of consistency. It's not laziness, its logistically challenging and does happen but more slowly than is helpful for the students compared to if they were in the right set in the first place.

MrsKeats · 18/03/2024 20:56

So why are you going to speak to the teacher then?

Bluelagoonlover · 18/03/2024 20:53

sblitit · 18/03/2024 20:50

No, it really isn't. Are you making a big deal of it at home? Are her friends making a big deal of it? In my experience (x2) the girls enjoyed whipping themselves up into a frenzy about it and the boys just got on with it. The teachers were calm and professional, and some parents got a bit anxious.

Perhaps your daughter is picking up on your anxiety.

I'm not anxious at all

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Bluelagoonlover · 18/03/2024 20:52

sblitit · 18/03/2024 20:50

No, it really isn't. Are you making a big deal of it at home? Are her friends making a big deal of it? In my experience (x2) the girls enjoyed whipping themselves up into a frenzy about it and the boys just got on with it. The teachers were calm and professional, and some parents got a bit anxious.

Perhaps your daughter is picking up on your anxiety.

I couldn't care less how she does

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ASighMadeOfStone · 18/03/2024 20:50

Hoppinggreen · 18/03/2024 17:01

Just let her do them but keep it very low key and explain they are just little tests and not a big deal (even if they are).
We told our DC that we didnt care how they did in them but just to try, no revision or anything like that either

This.
That's what I told my own daughter. That's what I tell the kids I teach.
The bigger a thing made of it, the bigger a thing it gets.