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Championfancy · 17/03/2024 19:12

AIBU?

I have always been annoyed but not really able to say much about this but I am
not on my LT partners will at all. Nor his life insurance or pension benefactor or anything. We’re not married but been together for over 15 years and it started to grate on me that if something happened to him I could be left with nothing at all.

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donteatthedaisies0 · 18/03/2024 02:39

This is a very odd post 🤔.

caringcarer · 18/03/2024 02:06

You need to start saving up for a deposit for a house. Once you've got that you could let it out but it would be there for you if you ever needed somewhere to live. Your relationship doesn't sound very stable. Your partner doesn't trust you, is what it boils down to. Have you ever given him reason to believe you can't handle money well? Ask him to take out a life insurance policy on his death and name DC as beneficiaries. If he refuses it shows he doesn't love his kids either. Honestly I'd be considering leaving him and claiming CMS for child support.

ConstantastheNorthernStar · 17/03/2024 23:27

There are two separate issues here. If your relationship is uncertain if makes sense he would not want to leave you money - it's unfortunate that you have put yourself in that situation but he's not being ridiculous ("abusive" as per previous posters - really? Not every unwise decision means the other party is a criminal). But there is no way on earth that he should exclude his own children from his will - that's a fundamental breach of his parental duties.

Noseybookworm · 17/03/2024 23:23

I don't think I'd want to be in a relationship with him at all to be honest 😕

Crochetablanket · 17/03/2024 23:09

You seem staggering naive OP.
You haven’t got a will, didn’t know you can get a mortgage after age 40….. ?

BirthdayRainbow · 17/03/2024 22:59

Championfancy · 17/03/2024 19:38

He has a will that I’m not named in. It’s set for everything to go back to his parents.
The children aren’t named either
I have brought it up and he ended up inferring I was money grabbing. So I left it there (and set anything in my name to go to the kids!)
I didn’t give up work but chose not to go back to work when kids were young and I would name him in my will if I had one, without hesitation

How have you set everything to go to your kids without a will?!

You need a will.

Bellyblueboy · 17/03/2024 22:34

I have also seen children who grow up in households where money is used as power and it isn’t pretty.

your partner is clearly financially abusive . Your relationship is clearly not healthy and I would take his will as a strong signal that he doesn’t see you in the even short term future. He doesn’t want you to be cared for or secure in the event of his death. But he also doesn’t want his children to have anything? Very odd. And very emotionally damaging.

PrincessTeaSet · 17/03/2024 22:26

How can you have no savings if you earn 50k and pay less than half the bills and have no rent or mortgage to pay? Surely you have thousands spare each year?

Untethered · 17/03/2024 22:15

Merryoldgoat · 17/03/2024 19:48

FFS.

My thoughts too. I despair that women are still getting onto these financially unsound situations.

Bellyblueboy · 17/03/2024 22:12

this is where you need to advocate for your children. You made a decision to have children later in life - yet you had no savings, didn’t own a home and where financially reliant on a man who you can’t communicate with and who doesn’t value you as an equal partner.

you are very vulnerable.

if you insist on staying, make him take out a life insurance policy that you are the beneficiary off. If he dropped dead tomorrow you will still have two children to find through school and university. You would need cash, and to be in control of that money,

if you are I. Your fifties I assume his parents are late seventies or older? Leaving money up a generation is usually strongly discouraged. Does he not think your children are his? There is something g very odd at play here. Why do you tolerate this? You sound very passive:

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 17/03/2024 22:04

I would say you understand he doesn’t want to leave anything to you directly, but cutting his children out is a horrible last message to send to them, and even if their grandparents then give them money, it would be seen to the children later and to the wider community that he didn’t care about them (as wills are public record his Will would be publicly available after death).

(and that obviously if the children are still under 18 you’d be contesting any will that cut them out on their behalf. )

MrsBlackett · 17/03/2024 22:03

If you're not married, is he named on the children's birth certificates? If not, is there proof that he's their father?

Could he be talked into taking out life insurance policies for the children to inherit decent sums should he die? That might be a way to ensure some definite provision for them that was separate from all the family money.

In my opinion, you need to make a will yourself appointing guardian(s) for the children (him? and/or others) and ensuring that the money in your estate will go towards looking after them. I assume that's what you would want.

Itloggedmeoutagain · 17/03/2024 22:01

If he and his parents own it as joint tenants then whoever dies first can't leave it to anyone. It automatically goes to the surviving owner and is not part of the estate.
OP you need to take legal advice and set up on your own

tara66 · 17/03/2024 21:56

I also don't think the house and assets (''his'' money) belong to him entirely or even at all. Him saying he is leaving ''his house'' and presumably all his asset to his parent is very bad tax wise. Should he die first his parents would presumably pay IHT and then they might died perhaps 3 -5 years later - so more IHT again so great losses through tax- unless everything is in a Trust anyway - so not his to leave to anyone.

CaramelMac · 17/03/2024 21:51

If he leaves it all to his parents then his children (or you as their guardian) and you as a co-habiting partner will have a very good claim against his estate, as he should have made provision for you. In the end he’s just wasting his own money.

I think people who ‘don’t believe in marriage’ but are quite happy to have children as part of a long term relationship are either nasty or thick, probably both.

coldcallerbaiter · 17/03/2024 21:34

He will change it to the kids inheriting once they turn 18 possibly. At the age they are, he doesn’t want you to prize it off them. There will be a reason he is doing this.

Mumdiva99 · 17/03/2024 21:32

I'm more confused than ever.
You aren't married.
You are on again off again but free to see and leave with other people.
And you wonder why you aren't named in the will to get some family inheritance?

Does he actually love you?

Soontobe60 · 17/03/2024 21:27

Championfancy · 17/03/2024 20:59

He is the eldest Son yes. I think the house belongs to him and his parents as joint tenants.

It will cost you £3 to find out this information from the land Registry. If the house is owned as joint tenants, then he can only leave it to someone else if the other owners have already died. As they are still alive, it does not form his estate.
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Tagyoureit · 17/03/2024 21:00

No point bitching to us, have a conversation with the man sitting on the sofa next you!

Championfancy · 17/03/2024 20:59

He is the eldest Son yes. I think the house belongs to him and his parents as joint tenants.

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BMW6 · 17/03/2024 20:56

Are we talking about a Family "seat" here? Is he the eldest son?

Itloggedmeoutagain · 17/03/2024 20:50

When you say it belongs to the family do you mean it belongs to his parents? Whose name is on the deeds?

mightydolphin · 17/03/2024 20:50

Championfancy · 17/03/2024 20:20

Yes I suppose if life follows it’s natural course, his parents will die before him and when he dies I guess it can’t go to them as they are dead and it would go to his next of kin being his kids. Does all feel very set up to exclude me though, which I guess is fine but yes you’ve made an excellent point about bloodline.

Oh yes, I agree that it seems unfair and cruel that he has left you nothing directly in his will. I imagine he is in the mindset that you've enjoyed living mortgage/rent free in the family home and you've been happy to have children without the security of marriage, so instead of your security and home being in the hands of your DP as it stands, it will be in the hands of his parents or your children. I guess it seems quite logical to him in that respect. You move from being his 'tenant' to either his parents' or your child's tenant.

I reckon he left you nothing as his parents said that everything MUST be left to them if he is to be sole beneficiary in their will. It would seem like a great deal to him, as his parents are surely likely to pass first.

To me, it screams of your DP and his parents all sitting down together and making an arrangement in the best interests of keeping the estate in the family, and in one piece.

KERALA1 · 17/03/2024 20:46

So he dies it goes to his parents then passes under their wills presumably to his siblings? So he’s chosen to leave his house to his nieces and nephews and not his own kids. Very weird

Herdinggoats · 17/03/2024 20:42

Championfancy · 17/03/2024 20:33

Thing is they all dote on the children. Perhaps it’s something I’ll never understand not coming from generational wealth but the kids can have whatever they want month to month no issues. It’s just that the estate is all sewn up to stay with them. I do think it’s shrewd though to think about having something I can pass on to them one day. Rather than a rental although Im not scared of that either. I have no ego when it comes to where I live.

Problem with a rental has nothing to do with ego. Pensions don’t go very far when you have to pay rent. Most pension estimates for a “comfortable” retirement are based on the fact that people will own their own homes outright at that stage. If you need to pay rent then you are going to need a significantly higher income in retirement, and an income that increases annually.

With all due respect and kindness you seem quite naive about your situation. Can you please get a few hours with a financial advisor to understand your position and what your future looks like and then a solicitor to clarify your options for you and your kids.