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48 hour exclusion rule

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Samsond · 02/03/2024 11:01

Ok I know IANBU here but I want to moan anyway.
WHY? Do some parents think the 48 hour isolation rule for D & V doesn't apply to them / their kids??
A child threw up in my DCs class yesterday. Whilst running to the door so managed to pass quite a few pupils close by whilst actually vomiting. (Poor kid)
She then told the teacher she'd been sick the day before and in the night but her parents thought she was feeling better so sent her in.
She has now directly exposed about a third of the class to her gastro bug as well as humiliated herself. I have emetophobia which was caused by throwing up on front of the class when I was 11 so I really feel for this poor girl and am very anxiously monitoring my DC for signs of nausea now.
Why are some people so fucking selfish???

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Crumpleton · 03/03/2024 19:44

Some people pick and choose which school rules apply to them and theirs, orhers don't.

jannier · 03/03/2024 19:36

CremeEggThief · 03/03/2024 15:23

Not all families have the luxury of contingency plans either. What about people who have no family support or there's no after-school club at the school, just for example?

In an ideal world, the OP is right, but the way society in this country is set up it makes very difficult for lots of people to prioritise health and wellbeing over work.
And people blaming each other instead of the structure is just silly and petty.

Unfortunately there are plenty of parents who send in sick children even if they are home themselves. I've had one who knew the bug had already hit granny who had the children two days before then mum and dad got it before passing it to baby but still brought them in....and that's just one example.

CremeEggThief · 03/03/2024 15:23

Not all families have the luxury of contingency plans either. What about people who have no family support or there's no after-school club at the school, just for example?

In an ideal world, the OP is right, but the way society in this country is set up it makes very difficult for lots of people to prioritise health and wellbeing over work.
And people blaming each other instead of the structure is just silly and petty.

IsthisthereallifeIsthisjustfantasy · 03/03/2024 09:21

Soreteatowel · 02/03/2024 18:02

But you do care more about other families than your own? Really?

Of course not. But that's not the same as knowingly inflicting a DV bug on multiple other families!

Givemeareason13 · 02/03/2024 21:35

sleepyscientist · 02/03/2024 18:12

@BananaSplitsss respiratory infection can lead to pneumonia, sickness bugs are generally very time limited. I would take noro over flu any day.

Tell me you haven't had a bad case of noro recently without telling me...

ManchesterLu · 02/03/2024 21:35

LolaSmiles · 02/03/2024 13:30

And you have no idea how many families live, if you think it's about "annoying" the boss. If you're in a zero hours job, you lose that day's pay and the chance of other shifts, which will be give to those seen as more reliable.

Maybe wobble your own head?
No head wobbling needed thank you.

I'm well aware some people are in the situation where the loss of a day pay is a big issue.

The thing here is that each time a child is sent in vomiting, that parent is saying "actually it's totally fine for up to 20 other families to have to take time off work, lose pay, have multiple unwell children in their family as the bug goes through their household".

Or do those families not matter?

But sure, let's not bother trying to reduce the spread of nasty illnesses. Let's send vomiting children into school so that another family can lose a fortnight's pay whilst their 2-3 children come down unwell one after the other. At least one parent didn't have to take a day off work.

You're absolutely right. It's selfish of parents to knowingly send a child into school who is/could be contagious. I don't understand how people haven't learned more from covid.

I understand that it's difficult to get childcare, but why do people not have contingency plans? Things can ALWAYS happen, then you HAVE TO come up with another plan.

Also how unfair for the kids to go back to school so quickly when - even if they aren't symptomatic anymore - they probably feel completely washed out and need a day or two in bed.

Givemeareason13 · 02/03/2024 21:33

HoHoGo · 02/03/2024 13:50

@sleepyscientist no, because that's how it spreads like wildfire. What we need to do is enforce the 48-hour rule, so that these things can't spread so much in the first place. If everyone stuck to the rule, there would be far less illness about, and that would be much more beneficial to the families who struggle to get the time off work.

This.

It feels like norovirus is doing the constant rounds at my DC's school because of idiotic parents.

In fact, I'm pretty certain of that considering in the space of 3.5 years at primary, DC1 has had 9 sickness bugs (despite being clear for most of reception year due to COVID restrictions).

She is particularly prone (younger DC has had two their entire life), but sheesh.

In fact, I think it's probably those who have DC who aren't prone to getting them who aren't particularly bothered. If DC1 were like DC2, I probably would also have more of a laissez-faire attitude. (Though would still stick to the damn 48-hour rule!!)

seven201 · 02/03/2024 21:28

A boy did this in my dd's class. Had been sick at home then sent in and threw up next to my dd, who then caught it and it gradually went round the whole class.

stcrispinsday · 02/03/2024 21:15

Because they have a child who vomits at the drop of a hat, car sickness, coughing too hard, you name it, and if they kept said child off school for 48 hours every time that child would miss a ridiculous amount of school.

User79853257976 · 02/03/2024 21:12

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 02/03/2024 16:57

Our secondary doesn't do the 48 hour rule, it's 6 hours clear of vomiting and if you are off its an unauthorised absence for sickness. And kids who don't get 100% attendance miss out on all sorts of benefits.

My eldest was sent home from her secondary (a different one to the school above which my son attends) puking her guts up. She had been fine that morning, got her home about 1pm. By 6pm she was filling her face like she was starving and absolutely fine! I kept her off as her school does have the 48 hour rule but she was well enough to go in..

She had a friend sleep over at ours, who vomited all over my bathroom Sunday morning (missing the toilet totally). I joked when her mum picked her up about getting out of school. Nope, next day she was back at school as her mum was a teacher there and couldn't take time off. It's not hard to imagine other parents in the same position.

Her mum could take time off, she didn’t want to. That school reducing it to 6 hours is ridiculous.

User79853257976 · 02/03/2024 21:07

sleepyscientist · 02/03/2024 13:30

So do we stop the 48hour and say they can go in when not actively vomiting.

No, because they are still contagious.

User79853257976 · 02/03/2024 21:05

sleepyscientist · 02/03/2024 13:15

Maybe her parents couldn't get it off or though she was better. What about respiratory bugs, everyone in this house has cold should DH stay home and make work cover his shift just in case he's sick or sneezes on someone?

There are different exclusion periods for different illnesses. It’s not true that people can’t get the time off. They might have to take it unpaid if they’ve had a lot of time off though but they can’t just willingly spread a stomach bug to other families.

User79853257976 · 02/03/2024 21:03

Based on these responses you can see just how selfish people are. They haven’t prioritised finding a family-friendly job so they don’t care if they pass the bug to 30+ children and staff. How do they know the parents of the other kids can take time off easily? They need to prioritise parenting.

Groovee · 02/03/2024 20:48

I worked in a private nursery that needed to close because parents wouldn't follow the 48 hour rules and all the staff came down with it. Because of when I started being sick then finished being sick followed by 48 hours, I lost 3 days pay before SSP kicked in on the 4th day. Ironically the parents who were the worst offenders were the first to moan but they all started following the rules. The nursery while closed got a deep clean from the cleaning staff.

We had to juggle life and work if the children were sick, but that's life.

LolaSmiles · 02/03/2024 20:41

CrispsandCheeseSandwich
I've heard some tales from friends of heads who've said ridiculous things about genuinely unwell children.
My feelings are always the same about headteachers like that: they'd rather have a go at the decent parents and try to intimidate them to get their children in regardless of illness than deal with the real attendance cases in the school. It's low hanging fruit to try it on with agreeable families and much harder to engage with the families who persistently don't engage with school.

I've always erred on common sense when sending mine in or keeping them off. I don't want to be responsible for putting other families in awkward situations and I'm also not going to be sending my poorly children into school when they need a day resting with a parent.

CrispsandCheeseSandwich · 02/03/2024 20:23

Unless there's something here you're not telling us, this is a massive assumption you're making. Kids vom for all sorts of reasons apart from tummy bugs.

This child threw up the previous day, and overnight though, and presumably was feeling a bit rough in the morning since they then went on to throw up at school. So a sickness bug was definitely the most likely cause, and the parents should have known that.

If your child throws up multiple times not from travel sickness and not from an underlying medical condition, you're taking the piss if you try and pretend it's not far more likely to be a bug.
And I'm assuming this child doesn't have an underlying condition that the parents are aware of, because she was sent home. There is a child at my DD's school who is sick fairly regularly but isn't sent home because the school are aware of a health issue that causes it.

Samsond · 02/03/2024 20:23

But the rule is 48 hours after the last episode of vomiting or diarrhea, there is no mention of "unless they've smelt something bad (twice in this case!) so it was because of that". I mean I'm sure they'd make an exception if say a kid regularly had migraines with sickness or something but generally the rule doesn't discriminate. So I'd say that makes it more than my issue.

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bubblesforbreakfast · 02/03/2024 20:16

Samsond · 02/03/2024 18:18

The school has a rule of 48 hours for D & v and the kid had been ill the day before and in the night. So the parents were not scared of getting in trouble with the school and it absolutely wasn't a case that eg she was coughing and threw up. It was pretty obviously a big of some sort. Poor kid

Unless there's something here you're not telling us, this is a massive assumption you're making. Kids vom for all sorts of reasons apart from tummy bugs. My DD voms when she smells something bad. Or sees someone else vomming.
You have emetophobia, so clearly thinking about a child being sick near yours is a big issue for you. But it's your issue.
Of course they shouldn't have sent her in if they expected a tummy bug, but life is rarely that simple.

Dostadning · 02/03/2024 20:14

I'd happily keep to the 48 hour rule.
I have done for primary.
Please tell that to the School Attendance Officer in secondaries.
They harumph if you keep them off 24 following D+V, let alone 48.

NotaNorovirusFan · 02/03/2024 20:07

I do stick to the 48 hour rule as far as possible but I can understand why people don’t. I’ve been in the zero hours job situation over Covid where I missed so much work from kids having to isolate that i stopped being offered shifts and ultimately was forced out of my job over it.

I’m now self employed and in December my kids were off school sick so much that I didn’t meet the minimum income floor for uc and was heavily penalised for it as UC don’t take child illness into account. In the past I’ve been penalised by UC for several months in a row because my dd was in hospital with her asthma so much. So when one of my kids is in any way well enough to go to school I will send them, especially if it’s a virus as I know that dd will likely be in hospital with the same virus the following week!

jannier · 02/03/2024 19:52

Malarandras · 02/03/2024 17:12

Ok but not all vomiting is due to contagious reasons. And even if it is, it’s perfectly possibly to feel fine in the morning and for symptoms to start later in the day. Maybe cut people some slack?

She told the teacher she had been sick twice in the previous 24 hours though

jannier · 02/03/2024 19:50

CremeEggThief · 02/03/2024 17:34

It's not a rule it's a guideline and lots of people can't afford to lose any pay.
It's a luxury if you are able to do the safest thing and keep your kids home in this situation.

I wonder if they moan when the teachers are falling like flies and the supply teachers can't cope....do the parents go to work with a sick bowl and just carry on vomiting while working? Most people get holiday pay but don't want to use it for this.

jannier · 02/03/2024 19:45

ShirleyPhallus · 02/03/2024 13:13

Because vomiting isn’t always caused by a bug

and some parents don’t have the luxury of being able not to send your child in for the day of school as they don’t have other childcare and can’t afford not to work

She wasn't travel sick in bed ....presumably doesn't have an allergy and that's not sick twice ...what do you think causes vomiting

jannier · 02/03/2024 19:43

ItIsYou · 02/03/2024 13:10

Because not being in work can be a nightmare, they might on a warning, they might just not want to deal with the vomit

Which of those do you feel is a reasonable excuse????

Pinkballoon3 · 02/03/2024 19:11

CrispsandCheeseSandwich · 02/03/2024 19:03

What a batshit thing for the head to say. "We want them in school regardless of illness" is just so obviously not true. Even aside from the fact they have the 48 rule for D&V that they clearly enforce, they also wouldn't allow a child in with chickenpox, probably impetigo, possibly things where antibiotics are needed (often childcare & schools have a rule about children needing to be on antibiotics for 24 hours before they can go back, for scarlet fever for example).

I have discovered since this incident that they are bricking it about poor attendance post-covid. If you a call in sick more than once in a term you get a phone call from the office to remind you how important attendance is and how's there's very little need for them to be off sick.

That said, I told this story to my best friend and she laughed and called me twat and said I should've known that 48 hr rule was a thing everywhere!