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TW: child abuse. Family keep secrets

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Pinkballoon3 · 29/02/2024 15:45

Sorry this is long but I feel like I need to get it out......
We found out last year our brother in law had been convicted of child sex offences in his home country. He abused a young girl when he was in his 20s. This was a long time ago before he met my sister in law. There seems to have been other charges against him which didn't make it to court. He is now in jail.

He was my children's only uncle (married to my husband's only sibling) and we used to see them regularly. They have a young son.

It turns out my parents in law knew about this from the first allegations being made against him (before he was married to my sister in law even). The PIL, I assume together their daughter and son in law, decided they wouldn't tell us after he was charged, bailed and the investigation was going on.

Allegations first came to light in 2018 and he was finally convicted in 2023 (due to the courts being backed up because of covid) so there was a very long period where PILs together with SIL and BIL kept this from us, whilst seeing us regularly (except for the lockdown periods) and PILs constantly lobbying for us to do more together and always including them if we were visiting. There were many nights where we all slept in the same house and MIL even lobbied for our eldest to share a room with our nephew rather than staying in the room with DH and I.

By the time DH and I were finally told about this in 2023 following the conviction FIL had died so we'll never get any answers from him. MIL and SIL have completely closed ranks and refused to tell us anything about how this all came about and why they knowingly exposed our young daughters to a suspected paedophile.

SIL has never bothered to speak to us at all since the conviction other than popping up once with a message to ask us to keep the secret from the wider family indefinitely (we refused). MIL has been aggressive towards us and accused us of not being supportive. She doesn't seem to understand that she has prioritised a paedophile over her grand daughters. She even suggested our girls were too young to be "his type" because the girl he abused was 10.

I feel like we have every right to be really angry. We're now having to explore our eldest what might he might have done to her. We've had to speak to her school and help her understand why her family have disappeared and we're not seeing them.

There doesn't seem to be any genuine remorse from MIL about this and she can't/won't provide any explanation as to why they did this. She has categorically refused to tell us anything further. She seems to think we're making a fuss about nothing.

DH and both share the view that unless there's a complete change of approach from her then there's no prospect of any reconciliation. She ignores us when we say this but then pops us every so often with a message to DH saying she misses the girls, or wonders what would happen if FIL was still here, or how could we be so cruel in shutting her out, she's now all alone etc.

I feel like I'm going mad sometimes. Is she right? Are we overreacting? I've known my in laws for 20 years and actually got on with them during that time - I can't believe all of this was going on just beneath the surface and we never knew anything about it.

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delphi13 · 29/02/2024 15:51

You are not in the wrong. The fact they hid it from you shows that they know how you would have felt so took your power to protect your children away from you. I don't think I could forgive it either without a complete reversal of the way they are behaving and a full apology. Even then I would struggle to trust them ever again. It's unforgivable really. I can only assume they are entirely under his spell and believe him to be innocent. Regardless, it doesn't excuse them hiding it from you.

And saying your daughters wouldn't be his type is just a disgusting thing to try and justify themselves.

Really sorry you are going through this. xx

Blackcats7 · 29/02/2024 15:53

Selfish fuckers putting their own comfortable denial before a child’s safety.
I would never speak to anyone involved in such a cover up ever again.
I speak as an adult survivor.
Took me years to realise and find out that other adults knew something wasn’t right even though I believe they didn’t know the full truth but they had closed their minds to any possibility their dear brother ( my father) could ever do anything wrong.
Denial can be a powerful thing but in the circumstances you describe there is zero excuse.

MadeForThis · 29/02/2024 16:10

I would block them both and stay NC.

Spitalfieldrose · 29/02/2024 16:13

You are being completely reasonable, I would have gone nuclear on the pair of them. They’d never see or hear from any of my family again. I really hope your daughter is ok.

Marblessolveeverything · 29/02/2024 16:19

I am so sorry you are going through this.My sisters work in roles supporting children who have been through abuse and sadly they tell me that your experience is quite common.

Personally my children would never see them again as it is clear they have no understanding or acknowledgement of the serious nature of these changes.

The comment made about your girls age and his preference, makes me sick. Abusers don't start 0-100, they can groom for years.

Noicant · 29/02/2024 16:23

YADNBU, why in the fuck was she trying to encourage a child into his bedroom. That is beyond fucked up. I’d be blocking them for putting my children in harms way, utterly enabling.

SillySeal · 29/02/2024 16:29

YANBU. I would block them and never speak to them again. Why any family member would keep a paedophile a secret, especially when you have young children blows mind.

Also, she actually said your girls are not his type as they are not 10 yet. Does she not understand how utterly fucked up that it!! What about when your girls do reach 10? Totally NC after that

Ariona · 29/02/2024 16:30

Your MIL is fighting with yourll in support of someone who isn't even her flesh and blood? She is a vile, vile human being and yes she is supporting a sex offender. I would not hesitate for one second to cut her off and tell her exactly why. Please don't ever reconcile with them. They have a mentality of condoning abusers.

Mumstheword37 · 29/02/2024 18:16

I’m so very sorry you’re having to go through this OP. I told my mum about historic abuse from my father (she was utterly oblivious and it nearly broke her mentally, well tbh it did and I’ve been rebuilding her for years) she was fantastic with supporting me and literally the only family member that believed me. (She had
been divorced from my dad for over 10years at this point) we went no contact with all of the family after that
as they chose him over me. I’ve never looked back. My children have never met any of my family and that suits me fine as I couldn’t trust any of them. Sue to my own abuse I am incredibly protective and cautious. You are absolutely doing the right thing. Sending love. ❤️

Pinkballoon3 · 29/02/2024 18:36

Mumstheword37 · 29/02/2024 18:16

I’m so very sorry you’re having to go through this OP. I told my mum about historic abuse from my father (she was utterly oblivious and it nearly broke her mentally, well tbh it did and I’ve been rebuilding her for years) she was fantastic with supporting me and literally the only family member that believed me. (She had
been divorced from my dad for over 10years at this point) we went no contact with all of the family after that
as they chose him over me. I’ve never looked back. My children have never met any of my family and that suits me fine as I couldn’t trust any of them. Sue to my own abuse I am incredibly protective and cautious. You are absolutely doing the right thing. Sending love. ❤️

Oh gosh so sorry to hear this but thank goodness your mum was supportive.
I think it's the thought that they all knew about it and deliberately conspired together to keep it from us. We think they even lied to Social Services so we didn't find out.

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WeeOrcadian · 29/02/2024 18:46

What absolute bastards

I'd be going NC with them, though they deserve far more than just that

Pinkballoon3 · 29/02/2024 18:48

SillySeal · 29/02/2024 16:29

YANBU. I would block them and never speak to them again. Why any family member would keep a paedophile a secret, especially when you have young children blows mind.

Also, she actually said your girls are not his type as they are not 10 yet. Does she not understand how utterly fucked up that it!! What about when your girls do reach 10? Totally NC after that

She also tried to say that he wouldn't have abused them when they were still in nappies because paedophiles don't do that.

I also can't understand why nobody is concerned about our nephew who he has been the primary carer for a lot of the time while SIL worked shifts. Surely could have been abused by his dad?

I just have so many questions about all of this 😥

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Geebray · 29/02/2024 18:50

She even suggested our girls were too young to be "his type" because the girl he abused was 10.

Dear God.

sl0th · 29/02/2024 18:57

Pinkballoon3 · 29/02/2024 18:48

She also tried to say that he wouldn't have abused them when they were still in nappies because paedophiles don't do that.

I also can't understand why nobody is concerned about our nephew who he has been the primary carer for a lot of the time while SIL worked shifts. Surely could have been abused by his dad?

I just have so many questions about all of this 😥

Her ignorance/denial is astounding!

You're absolutely NOT being unreasonable, keeping something of that magnitude a secret and knowingly allowing your children to be in danger from him is totally unforgivable!

Floopani · 29/02/2024 18:59

You and your DH are completely sane in your reactions to this. This would be a no contact forever situation for me. Especially as she is still justifying it as well as guilt tripping you about being alone. Surely she is not alone as she has your SIL and BIL who can do no wrong in her eyes, even when it's blatantly obvious that both MIL and SIL put your girls in danger.

Treehuggingmutherfunkin · 29/02/2024 18:59

Mil is vile stay away forever

Scaffoldingisugly · 29/02/2024 19:00

I hope your mil goes to her grave never having seen your dc again.

Penguinmouse · 29/02/2024 19:02

You are not overreacting at all and really need to cut off these people. To place your children in a position of danger is unacceptable.

Dottytea · 29/02/2024 19:04

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SerenityNowInsanityLater · 29/02/2024 19:14

I’ve lost my ex husband’s entire family because they walked with him, a convicted sex offender who abused my daughter for 5 years. You have my heart and my arsenal of sympathy.

Those who walk with the abuser and knowingly put children at risk are utter dirt bags of the lowest order. Oh and they’ll aggressively gaslight you. If it’s of ANY comfort, I’m seen as the crazy bitch by my in laws (because I put up impenetrable barriers and told them to go fuck themselves). They are the enablers and in my view, abusers themselves, showing total disregard for the children in the family by putting the abuser first, for some insane reason that I must admit, I’m dying to understand. My favourite gaslighting line was, “You’re the one who won’t allow your daughter to have her extended family in her life! You’re the one taking that away from her!” This spoken by the very person who attempted to pervert the course of justice by coercing her brother into lying about and minimising the abuse (lots of emails between them emerged). And I’m the bad guy. 🙄
Sorry to turn this into me.

You will be raging. Look after yourselves. Seriously, you’ll have to find ways of ensuring that your wholly justified anger doesn’t burn your own house down. Walk, breathe, kickbox, move your body and hug your DH when you feel angry. Carry each other. This is a terrible shock, betrayal, and loss. You will need therapy. I still run into fields and just sob my heart out. It’s seismic. Honour how big this is and utilise all the support available (podcasts, therapists, running, that third coffee, whatever helps!). ❤️ Give space for healthy rage!

Pinkballoon3 · 29/02/2024 19:15

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Really? Surely not! I feel like this can't have happened to other people - it seems all too outlandish

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UngratefulOldCabbage · 29/02/2024 19:22

Op, sadly it does happen more than you think. I have experience of a very similar situation. Cut them off completely. I'm many years down the line and wish I had done so myself.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/02/2024 19:26

Just about the only good news here is that you and DH are on the same page

I'm confused about the "reconciliation" bit though, in that you've said there wouldn't be one if there's no change of approach - and although there hasn't been, it seems you're still in touch

Personally I wouldn't be; with something this serious I'd tell her exactly why she was being cut off and then do it

BrambleJamandCustard · 29/02/2024 19:28

Unfortunately I can relate… if you can cut them out then please do!

My mum was terrorised her whole childhood and was made out to be the difficult one by her parents.

To this day, she is a mess mentally, emotionally, physically… could have been stopped but they chose the ‘easy option’ of pretending it wasn’t happening.

Just unreal

nocoolnamesleft · 29/02/2024 19:36

They knowingly exposed your children to a paedophile? Bloody hell. The best option would seem to be that she's dead to you.

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