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Abusing antibiotics

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Moon30 · 28/02/2024 17:10

Hey, I'm probably not posting in the right place and I probably am being unreasonable but my anxiety is playing havoc and I just need to talk about it to prevent myself from replaying it repeatedly in my head all night 🙈

I'll try keep it short, DS 16 has recently had a chest infection, he felt better but over the last 2 days developed a cough again and he felt pretty rough this morning so I took him to get checked over due to previous history of numerous bouts of pneumonia when he was younger and I know DS became forgetful towards the end of this antibiotics course so it took him a couple of days longer than usual to finish the course, this is despite me reminding him 🙄 anyway when I mentioned that to the doctor today she said she wont give him more antibiotics due to him abusing them and then went on a rant about it. Thankfully his chest was clear but now I'm overthinking the whole exchange and that she'll write on his notes that he abused his medication and it will effect him getting treatment in the future. DH said i shouldn't have mentioned it but I'm not one for telling lies and now my anxiety is through the roof now 😔 I'm being ridiculous aren't I?

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hopefulmummytobe78 · 28/02/2024 20:42

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I've ended up on antibiotics twice in 4 weeks. I end up on antibiotics pretty much every 6 months due to a chronic issue I can't get a referral for.

Antibiotics aren't drugs to abuse, why on earth would anyone be after antibiotics for fun?

BabyHaribo · 28/02/2024 20:35

Abuse was a silly term to use. The dr could have used this as a chance to educate your DS (and you?!) about how important it is to take antibiotics as prescribed. Set an alarm if necessary.

DS grandchildren may not have access to the healthcare we do, simply due to lack of antibiotics which is scary

Tahinii · 28/02/2024 20:24

Moon30 · 28/02/2024 18:46

DH is a smoker but smokes outside, no open fire and we do live on a very busy road, so im assuming the air wouldn't be the best. We was told years ago that DS likely has scarring on his lung due to the bouts of pneumonia, as each time he gets a chest infection its always on the same lower left side.
We also recently moved into a new rented property and it soon became apparent that we have high humidity which causes mould to grow, the doctor we saw previously said this is likely contributing to our ill health. I do try to keep on topof it and clean it off as soon as it grows but sometimes it comes back very quickly despite lots of measures to try and counteract it. We're waiting for the landlord to sort it, the doctor did sat that they can write a letter if they fail to deal with it properly. DS does usually get a chest infection each winter though but the mould won't be helping.

Even smoking outside is far from ideal to be honest.

Anyway onto your concern, of course he’s not abusing antibiotics and your GP was ridiculous. It’s fine to say to your son he needs to be responsible about taking antibiotics as prescribed but it’s not abuse.

DiscerningDiana · 28/02/2024 19:02

Don’t worry OP this won’t be recorded in any way that could affect his future treatment- it would be completely unethical (& nonsensical) to do so. Sure she could have used this as an opportunity to educate a 16 year old on just why it’s important to take antibiotics as prescribed but using the word ‘abuse’ is absolutely ridiculous in this context.

Moon30 · 28/02/2024 18:55

TraitorsGate · 28/02/2024 18:45

Oh so he just took 2 extra days worth, did the label say 5 days only, was it a full pack, maybe the research shows a 5 day course is better.

No, It was just a 5 day course in the packet but it just took him 7 days to finish it, so he didn't take any extra. I would have though that the word abuse would be more associated with taking more tablets then he should have but that's not the case at all

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Hagbard · 28/02/2024 18:51

What a load of tosh. GPs should not speak to their patients in this manner, esp when you consider the power imbalance already at play. Substance abuse FFS

Can you move to a different doc at the surgery?

Moon30 · 28/02/2024 18:50

saltinesandcoffeecups · 28/02/2024 18:08

Good lord both you and the doctor overreacted to a non issue.

Poor kid

This is how my brain works, it's very exhausting 😔

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Moon30 · 28/02/2024 18:46

deplorabelle · 28/02/2024 18:02

That is very harsh of the doctor - a few forgotten doses by someone who is trying to take them properly is not abuse.

You are suffering from a lot of respiratory infections. Do you have a smoker or open fires in your house? Do you live in an area of high air pollution?

DH is a smoker but smokes outside, no open fire and we do live on a very busy road, so im assuming the air wouldn't be the best. We was told years ago that DS likely has scarring on his lung due to the bouts of pneumonia, as each time he gets a chest infection its always on the same lower left side.
We also recently moved into a new rented property and it soon became apparent that we have high humidity which causes mould to grow, the doctor we saw previously said this is likely contributing to our ill health. I do try to keep on topof it and clean it off as soon as it grows but sometimes it comes back very quickly despite lots of measures to try and counteract it. We're waiting for the landlord to sort it, the doctor did sat that they can write a letter if they fail to deal with it properly. DS does usually get a chest infection each winter though but the mould won't be helping.

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TraitorsGate · 28/02/2024 18:45

Moon30 · 28/02/2024 18:34

No he didnt miss any days or stop and start he took them each day he just should have finished the course on day 5 but instead finished on day 7

Oh so he just took 2 extra days worth, did the label say 5 days only, was it a full pack, maybe the research shows a 5 day course is better.

ChateauMargaux · 28/02/2024 18:41

I think the doctor was not being empathetic, using the word 'abuse' in this situation and suggesting that this one off incident of extended use of an antibiotic was significant in the overall cause of antimicrobial resistance is not only wrong, but it is also heavy handed.

The major factors associated with the antimicrobial resistance are related to over prescription and incorrect prescription, especially hospital environments but also in agriculture.

I am sure that as a doctor, she has prescribed antibiotics on many occasions where the evidence shows no benefit over allowing the illness to progress on it's own and I am sure that this has happened many more times than the one time, your son has not taken the course of antibiotics to the exact schedule that was prescribed.

BobbyBiscuits · 28/02/2024 18:40

Taking 2 days longer to finish the course can't be that bad surely?
I'd say speak to a different GP, and don't ever mention this again.

Moon30 · 28/02/2024 18:36

LizzeyBenett · 28/02/2024 18:17

You can't really 'abuse' antibiotics you can however not take them correctly like your son did and render it useless or less effective. The GP has a duty of care and if your son genuinely needs an antibiotic and the GP refuses to prescribe or treat whatever the infection is then they are failing in their duty of care ... it's not like your asking for hard core pain killers it's an antibiotic. Whole thing sounds a bit crazy I'd write a letter of complaint to the surgery personally. I've worked in the industry for many many years and never heard anything like it.

That's what I was concerned about and the reason why I told her he had been forgetful towards the end, I was worried doing so had meant that they hadn't worked properly 😔

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Moon30 · 28/02/2024 18:34

TraitorsGate · 28/02/2024 18:12

Did he start the course stop then start again. If he was 2 days late he missed 6 or 8 doses.

No he didnt miss any days or stop and start he took them each day he just should have finished the course on day 5 but instead finished on day 7

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oakleaffy · 28/02/2024 18:24

LizzeyBenett · 28/02/2024 18:17

You can't really 'abuse' antibiotics you can however not take them correctly like your son did and render it useless or less effective. The GP has a duty of care and if your son genuinely needs an antibiotic and the GP refuses to prescribe or treat whatever the infection is then they are failing in their duty of care ... it's not like your asking for hard core pain killers it's an antibiotic. Whole thing sounds a bit crazy I'd write a letter of complaint to the surgery personally. I've worked in the industry for many many years and never heard anything like it.

The GP was being Diligent on all our behalf’s.

No wonder GP’s are careful around prescribing antibiotics- and good for them being strict about it.

owlsinthedaylight · 28/02/2024 18:21

I suspect the Dr was having a bad day. Or maybe wasn’t a people-person.

she could have used the opportunity to educate on the “why” factor, because most people respond better to compliance issues if they understand why it is important. Ie most people are stubborn but reasonable.

instead she chose to go down the “telling off” route, which usually is less effective in changing behaviours.

but, for all we know her previous patient might have been a kid with antibiotic resistant MRSA dealing with challenging outcomes. (Or maybe just her morning coffee was not to taste).

LizzeyBenett · 28/02/2024 18:17

You can't really 'abuse' antibiotics you can however not take them correctly like your son did and render it useless or less effective. The GP has a duty of care and if your son genuinely needs an antibiotic and the GP refuses to prescribe or treat whatever the infection is then they are failing in their duty of care ... it's not like your asking for hard core pain killers it's an antibiotic. Whole thing sounds a bit crazy I'd write a letter of complaint to the surgery personally. I've worked in the industry for many many years and never heard anything like it.

TraitorsGate · 28/02/2024 18:12

Did he start the course stop then start again. If he was 2 days late he missed 6 or 8 doses.

oakleaffy · 28/02/2024 18:12

If you wanted to create antibiotic resistance in bacteria, then idle and lax taking of antibiotics is exactly the way to go about doing it.

It puts us ALL at risk and our families at risk.

takemeawayagain · 28/02/2024 18:10

oakleaffy · 28/02/2024 18:06

This!@Moon30 it’s desperately irresponsible for someone not to finish the full course of antibiotics as this is exactly how bacteria become resistant.
Doctors are only being diligent- was speaking to someone about this today and it’s a really serious problem.

He did finish the full course so that is irrelevant.

On the NHS website they says if you miss a dose just take it when you remember or if it's close to your next dose just continue your regular dosing schedule. I'm sure it happens all the time.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 28/02/2024 18:08

Good lord both you and the doctor overreacted to a non issue.

Poor kid

takemeawayagain · 28/02/2024 18:07

He forgot to take them a few times and that's considered abusing them? That's absolutely ridiculous.

oakleaffy · 28/02/2024 18:06

mynameiscalypso · 28/02/2024 17:25

People not taking antibiotics properly is one of the reasons for the growth of antibiotic resistance so she was right to make the point. I don't think it will impact future treatment though. It's not like she's saying he's an addict so shouldn't be give pain meds or something along those lines.

This!@Moon30 it’s desperately irresponsible for someone not to finish the full course of antibiotics as this is exactly how bacteria become resistant.
Doctors are only being diligent- was speaking to someone about this today and it’s a really serious problem.

deplorabelle · 28/02/2024 18:02

That is very harsh of the doctor - a few forgotten doses by someone who is trying to take them properly is not abuse.

You are suffering from a lot of respiratory infections. Do you have a smoker or open fires in your house? Do you live in an area of high air pollution?

HowNice23 · 28/02/2024 17:57

Taking a few pills late isn't exactly abusing the medicine especially as a 16 year old and if yet still not well more or differently antibiotics could be entirely appropriate. I'd get a second opinion what's he meant to do get magically better with no intervention because of some weird punishment?

Moon30 · 28/02/2024 17:51

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We didnt go with the intention of wanting more antibiotics? I took him to get checked over to make sure it had cleared up properly because he's had pneumonia numerous times and a few times he's had to have a second round of antibiotics to clear it and this time he had also been forgetful with taking them. I myself have had 2 chest infections since Christmas. The first was over Christmas and the first round of antibiotics didn't clear it fully and I ended up really poorly by the end of January because I left it thinking the cough would eventually go on its own. So I thought it would be better to be safe then sorry

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