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DontVisitCabotCove · 25/02/2024 16:18

DB, his partner “Jane” & her 2 kids have been staying with me - in my house - after the house they were buying fell through. They had been looking at other properties to buy but have since decided to end their relationship so that’s no longer happening.

Yesterday while my DB and I were out and unbeknownst to me, Jane had an estate agent over to value my house & as he was leaving he told her he’d send her an email with the valuation & they were talking about viewings etc.

Today Jane asked me to give her a letter stating that my brother is living here but wouldn’t tell me why she wanted it & was really unhappy when I said I’d give her a letter saying they were both temporarily staying with me as that’s the actual truth.

What on earth could she be up to? I’m honestly baffled!

Should I tell her that I know about the valuation? Should I tell my DB about all of this?

On one hand I don’t want to get involved in their troubles or make things worse (things are bad enough between them already) but on the other hand I feel I’m being drawn into it as it’s my bloody house she had valued!

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Rosscameasdoody · 29/02/2024 17:31

MustWeDoThis · 29/02/2024 05:12

She's snooping for assets and money so she can take the kids and go for child maintenance.

By valuing your house it will be seen as am asset, by signing a letter stating your brother is there will give her leverage to tell CM that hubby is living in a mortgaged house, it's value, how much you pay etc. I think she is hoping child maintenance will then go to you for extra money. However! That only works if you're a significant other. It's all very convoluted and what she is doing is a breach of GDPR by getting that evaluation done, and possibly looking to commit fraud.

She just had your house evaluated and would have needed to falsify information to do so.

You need to sit her down, ask her why, then kick her out.

The kids are not OP’s brothers’ children. Even if they were, the house doesn’t belong to him so cannot be viewed by CMS or anyone else as an asset. And all OP would have to do is verify that his living arrangement is temporary until he is adequately housed.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/02/2024 17:28

anyolddinosaur · 29/02/2024 13:45

@Rosscameasdoody The police would be concerned a jury, if it came to that, might think that Jane's story introduced a reasonable doubt. It wouldnt be reasonable doubt for me.

Not sure which of my posts you’re answering.

anyolddinosaur · 29/02/2024 13:45

@Rosscameasdoody The police would be concerned a jury, if it came to that, might think that Jane's story introduced a reasonable doubt. It wouldnt be reasonable doubt for me.

LadyMinerva · 29/02/2024 10:28

MustWeDoThis · 29/02/2024 05:12

She's snooping for assets and money so she can take the kids and go for child maintenance.

By valuing your house it will be seen as am asset, by signing a letter stating your brother is there will give her leverage to tell CM that hubby is living in a mortgaged house, it's value, how much you pay etc. I think she is hoping child maintenance will then go to you for extra money. However! That only works if you're a significant other. It's all very convoluted and what she is doing is a breach of GDPR by getting that evaluation done, and possibly looking to commit fraud.

She just had your house evaluated and would have needed to falsify information to do so.

You need to sit her down, ask her why, then kick her out.

FFS

AmytheDancingBrick · 29/02/2024 06:31

@MustWeDoThis did you read any of the OPs posts? And please explain how this is a breach of GDPR?

castawave · 29/02/2024 05:31

@MustWeDoThis

She's snooping for assets and money so she can take the kids and go for child maintenance. By valuing your house it will be seen as am asset, by signing a letter stating your brother is there will give her leverage to tell CM that hubby is living in a mortgaged house, it's value, how much you pay etc. I think she is hoping child maintenance will then go to you for extra money. However! That only works if you're a significant other. It's all very convoluted and what she is doing is a breach of GDPR by getting that evaluation done, and possibly looking to commit fraud.She just had your house evaluated and would have needed to falsify information to do so. You need to sit her down, ask her why, then kick her out

They aren't married. They don't have children together, and the OP doesn't have a mortgage

MustWeDoThis · 29/02/2024 05:12

DontVisitCabotCove · 25/02/2024 16:18

DB, his partner “Jane” & her 2 kids have been staying with me - in my house - after the house they were buying fell through. They had been looking at other properties to buy but have since decided to end their relationship so that’s no longer happening.

Yesterday while my DB and I were out and unbeknownst to me, Jane had an estate agent over to value my house & as he was leaving he told her he’d send her an email with the valuation & they were talking about viewings etc.

Today Jane asked me to give her a letter stating that my brother is living here but wouldn’t tell me why she wanted it & was really unhappy when I said I’d give her a letter saying they were both temporarily staying with me as that’s the actual truth.

What on earth could she be up to? I’m honestly baffled!

Should I tell her that I know about the valuation? Should I tell my DB about all of this?

On one hand I don’t want to get involved in their troubles or make things worse (things are bad enough between them already) but on the other hand I feel I’m being drawn into it as it’s my bloody house she had valued!

She's snooping for assets and money so she can take the kids and go for child maintenance.

By valuing your house it will be seen as am asset, by signing a letter stating your brother is there will give her leverage to tell CM that hubby is living in a mortgaged house, it's value, how much you pay etc. I think she is hoping child maintenance will then go to you for extra money. However! That only works if you're a significant other. It's all very convoluted and what she is doing is a breach of GDPR by getting that evaluation done, and possibly looking to commit fraud.

She just had your house evaluated and would have needed to falsify information to do so.

You need to sit her down, ask her why, then kick her out.

Clumsyandheavy · 28/02/2024 20:06

If you feel you’ve got the energy you could do a subject access request for all details about you and your house/address from the estate agent.
it would give you ‘your’ email address and phone number that was used for the booking and any emails sent/received about it.

totally get it if it’s too much hassle and sorted now.
best wishes for the future

https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/your-right-to-get-copies-of-your-data/

Your right of access

https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/your-right-to-get-copies-of-your-data/

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 28/02/2024 16:53

Twentyfirstcenturymumma · 28/02/2024 16:22

@SageRosemary all good points. Just to say I cannot see what the problem is for android users, I am one, and the 'see all' highlighted next to Op's name is very obvious to me using the web browser. I choose not to have the app

Surely it's obvious the problem is for android users using the app?

Twentyfirstcenturymumma · 28/02/2024 16:22

SageRosemary · 28/02/2024 11:44

@Mumsnet Is it possible for you to insert a notice immediately after the OP's opening post to advise that the situation has moved on rapidly and intending posters should read at least all the OPs posts before offering "helpful" suggestions (such as "contact the estate agent", "contact the police" etc)? Or, perhaps you can edit the opening post itself with such a note from Mumsnet. Many of us are interested in this thread but it is frustrating for the thread to be filling up with useful suggestions and other posters telling them to RTFT and that the suggestion was made at the beginning of the thread and now it has disintegrated into who can read all the OP's posts easily on our desktops or Apple devices and who cannot.

For those who cannot choose to read all the OP's posts only by selection, you can at least note that they are in a different colour and you can scroll through pages looking for that colour.

@SageRosemary all good points. Just to say I cannot see what the problem is for android users, I am one, and the 'see all' highlighted next to Op's name is very obvious to me using the web browser. I choose not to have the app

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 28/02/2024 14:02

DrFoxtrot · 28/02/2024 13:58

@FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant how annoying! You'd think the apps would all have same features!

You'd think so but apparently not lol

DrFoxtrot · 28/02/2024 14:00

OP I'm really glad you got onto this before Jane was able to take anything further. She sounds a right piece of work.

DrFoxtrot · 28/02/2024 13:58

@FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant how annoying! You'd think the apps would all have same features!

Craybourne · 28/02/2024 13:22

JudgeJ · 28/02/2024 13:17

Many many years ago, as my late Father used to say 'when Adam wur a lad' one used to see notices in the newspapers saying, in legalese, that person ABC had no responsibility for any debts etc incurred by XYZ, is there an equivalent modern way of doing this?

ha, never heard of this! Maybe OP can take out a local billboard about Jane, or something in Estate Agents weekly 😁

JudgeJ · 28/02/2024 13:17

Many many years ago, as my late Father used to say 'when Adam wur a lad' one used to see notices in the newspapers saying, in legalese, that person ABC had no responsibility for any debts etc incurred by XYZ, is there an equivalent modern way of doing this?

Craybourne · 28/02/2024 13:16

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 28/02/2024 12:23

I know, and like I said someone shouldn't have to use a browser when there's an app available just so stop snide comments from people saying "just press see all" because someone hasn't read 700+ posts

just sharing the info in case it’s helpful. It’s up to you isn’t it

Pinkdelight3 · 28/02/2024 12:33

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 28/02/2024 11:50

@Pinkdelight3 @martinisforeveryone good god, chill out. no more martinis for either of you

perfectly chilled thanks and I don't like martinis. we're not the weird ones here.

Gloriosaford · 28/02/2024 12:23

Sounds like Jane thought she was on to a good thing with your brother, until she overreached and fell flat on her face 😬

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 28/02/2024 12:23

Craybourne · 28/02/2024 12:11

you can do it on your mobile browser

Edited

I know, and like I said someone shouldn't have to use a browser when there's an app available just so stop snide comments from people saying "just press see all" because someone hasn't read 700+ posts

Craybourne · 28/02/2024 12:11

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 28/02/2024 11:25

No, MN have confirmed it's not an available feature on the android app yet. A few people have complained about it. Apple only unfortunately!

you can do it on your mobile browser

martinisforeveryone · 28/02/2024 12:02

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 28/02/2024 11:50

@Pinkdelight3 @martinisforeveryone good god, chill out. no more martinis for either of you

See, this is exactly why a lot of people don’t bother trying to help on Mumsnet anymore 🙄

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 28/02/2024 11:50

@Pinkdelight3 @martinisforeveryone good god, chill out. no more martinis for either of you

SageRosemary · 28/02/2024 11:44

@Mumsnet Is it possible for you to insert a notice immediately after the OP's opening post to advise that the situation has moved on rapidly and intending posters should read at least all the OPs posts before offering "helpful" suggestions (such as "contact the estate agent", "contact the police" etc)? Or, perhaps you can edit the opening post itself with such a note from Mumsnet. Many of us are interested in this thread but it is frustrating for the thread to be filling up with useful suggestions and other posters telling them to RTFT and that the suggestion was made at the beginning of the thread and now it has disintegrated into who can read all the OP's posts easily on our desktops or Apple devices and who cannot.

For those who cannot choose to read all the OP's posts only by selection, you can at least note that they are in a different colour and you can scroll through pages looking for that colour.

GreyBlackLove · 28/02/2024 11:34

ButterBastardBeans · 28/02/2024 11:09

So the OP knows that 'Jane' set up a fake email address. This needs looking at by the police as it is clearly an attempt at fraud of some sort. Jane needs interviewing under caution.

Except the OP has no way of proving Jane did it, the EA are now declining to share the address because OP told them it's not hers and the police are highly unlikely to dedicate resources to confirming the IP used when the email address was created.

It's shit for the OP but the police have already advised why they won't take it further with Jane

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 28/02/2024 11:27

BonjourCrisette · 28/02/2024 10:57

Just use your phone browser and then you can use 'Find in page' and also see all the OP's posts. I don't think the app does anything the webpage doesn't do, in fact quite the opposite!

People shouldn't have to use the browser on their phone if there is a dedicated phone app available. I'm not complaining, I've read the full thread as it is, I just get bored of seeing people matter of factly state that people can click "see all" when that's not the case for half of users.