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Spending downsizing cash

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CueilleLeJour · 23/02/2024 11:27

I'm really not sure if I'm being unreasonable here.

Mum is 87 and downsized a few years after we lost my dad. She bought a nice little flat and had £150K from the sale.

Growing up, we never had much money and dad kept a close hand on the purse strings. Mum was left with a comfortable but not huge pension, and some moderate savings which she has spent over the last few years.

Since downsizing, she has basically had access to more free money than she's ever had in her life. In the last year, she's spent nearly half the £150k. Mostly on the flat - new kitchen, bathroom, carpets, furniture, professional decorating etc - but also an expensive holiday. It's clearly been an amazing feeling for her to have all the money she could dream of and spend it without my dad's disapproving eye peering over her shoulder. Part of me thinks it's great and she should just enjoy it while she can.

But part of me is really alarmed at her getting through half the proceeds in a year, and I worry about possible future care needs. My BIL's mum is 90 and has been in a care home for 3 years and it's just burning cash. They wouldn't let her in without proving she had 2 years of costs up front - which I think was about 140K.

My mum is just convinced she won't ever need a care home, and I know she's better off than many people who have nothing put by. It's also really none of my business, it's her money to do what she wants with. It's not dementia or anything, just someone who has never really had to make financial decisions having a whale of a time splashing the cash.

But am I right to have a little anxiety about it all?

YABU You only live once, she's right to spend it while she can
YANBU It's a bit reckless to spend half your downsizing profits in the first year

OP posts:
Pussycat22 · 26/02/2024 09:36

If I was her I'd blow the lot and enjoy myself!!!!

BingoMarieHeeler · 26/02/2024 09:34

JimBobsWife · 23/02/2024 11:30

She will still get care even if she has no money left. It will just be not as 'nice'.

This. Let her enjoy her life now and cross that bridge when it comes to it. MIL is in a nursing home in her late 60s, could be in for another 30 years. No one has enough money for that!! It’s not a luxury retirement home but it meets her needs (although yes is very depressing).

Lorrymum · 26/02/2024 09:32

Let her enjoy her money. After my Dad died my Mum became horribly mean with money. She had no reason to be like this and had savings and a large pension. Ten years on she is now having to pay for care and all the money she and Dad had worked so hard for was never enjoyed by them.

CommentNow · 26/02/2024 09:30

rwalker · 26/02/2024 09:18

My granddad spent years in a care home spent every last penny on care the person next to him paid nothing it was funded

if you haven’t got the money the state pick up the bill
there is no advantage to having money
tell her to spend it

I agree that it is unfair but with all due respect, there is a bigger problem in that we cant expect government and councils to fund proper care for an aging population and give proper SEN and vulnerable adult care and everything else without higher taxes. Someone has to pay for it. FWIW I'd be happier to pay higher taxes because everyone deserve dignity and support to live a quality life. But there is a disconnect because care isnt free.

CommentNow · 26/02/2024 09:26

BIossomtoes · 26/02/2024 09:10

She might have offered to pay for OP. We don’t know, do we?

The difference is that I would have insisted on paying for my daughter. She is doing something she wouldn't have chosen, much less spent 3x more on than normal to make sure I'm comfortable and is likely still at a point where her outgoings are at their peak in life and as a parent your instinct is to look after your kids. I cant imagine being willing to let my daughter front up for that when I have the money to pay for it. Even less so if I felt her dad had restricted how I could spoil her when she was younger.

I'm glad OP has found some peace on this thread x

rwalker · 26/02/2024 09:18

My granddad spent years in a care home spent every last penny on care the person next to him paid nothing it was funded

if you haven’t got the money the state pick up the bill
there is no advantage to having money
tell her to spend it

Iwasafool · 26/02/2024 09:16

BIossomtoes · 26/02/2024 09:10

She might have offered to pay for OP. We don’t know, do we?

She might have even wanted to go alone but DD asked to join her.

CueilleLeJour · 26/02/2024 09:14

BIossomtoes · 26/02/2024 09:10

She might have offered to pay for OP. We don’t know, do we?

So funny the level of judgment on this thread, though to be fair that is what you expect if you post on AIBU.

Yes, she offered to pay for me. I didn't feel comfortable taking her money knowing that she has limited resources and is getting through them at a pace. It was quite a reach for me to spend that on a holiday though, and not something I would ever have chosen to do if she was not so set on it.

OP posts:
BIossomtoes · 26/02/2024 09:10

CommentNow · 26/02/2024 09:05

@BIossomtoes no, I cant imagine treating myself to an expensive holiday and asking my daughter to come with me and asking her to fund it herself when its 3x what she would normally spend and has lost lost her dad while I'm sat on £150k. Would you?

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She might have offered to pay for OP. We don’t know, do we?

CommentNow · 26/02/2024 09:05

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/02/2024 08:42

I'm planning a complete flat refurbishment - new windows, new carpets, redecoration, the lot. I'm budgeting £ 40k. And that doesn't include the kitchen. And if OP's DM really splashed out on a holiday - top end cruise to Antartica, say - she could easily spend £ 10K.

@BIossomtoes no, I cant imagine treating myself to an expensive holiday and asking my daughter to come with me and asking her to fund it herself when its 3x what she would normally spend and has lost lost her dad while I'm sat on £150k. Would you?

Atethehalloweenchocs · 26/02/2024 08:56

What a gappy and exciting year for her! I would leave her to enjoy it.

housethatbuiltme · 26/02/2024 08:55

Almost everyone in my family died before even retirement age, only ONE family member (the very oldest living one) ever saw a care home. I also lost a healthy friend suddenly a few months younger than me last year... I'll spend my money while I'm alive and enjoying it.

I make zero plan to not enjoy life so I can be spend my entire life savings rotting in a care home (which likely will never happen because it would be a MIRACLE if I live that long).

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/02/2024 08:42

BIossomtoes · 26/02/2024 08:37

spent 55k on decorating - not refurbishment, decorating!

New kitchen and bathroom is refurbishment. I can’t believe the horror at someone spending their own money on things that give them pleasure. Christ only knows what nasty judgemental comments you’d make if you could see my spending.

I'm planning a complete flat refurbishment - new windows, new carpets, redecoration, the lot. I'm budgeting £ 40k. And that doesn't include the kitchen. And if OP's DM really splashed out on a holiday - top end cruise to Antartica, say - she could easily spend £ 10K.

BIossomtoes · 26/02/2024 08:37

spent 55k on decorating - not refurbishment, decorating!

New kitchen and bathroom is refurbishment. I can’t believe the horror at someone spending their own money on things that give them pleasure. Christ only knows what nasty judgemental comments you’d make if you could see my spending.

CueilleLeJour · 26/02/2024 08:27

4FoxxSake · 26/02/2024 08:14

My Mum did the same, she had lovely time. She only had 5 years of life after my Dad, before she passed away. She blew a lot! His pension, the downsizing house money, lots of holidays to places my Dad would never have gone.

At the time I was worried like yourself, but in retrospect it wasn't anything to do with me and she had a brilliant time.

Enjoy life while you can!

I hope this is what exactly what happens! This thread has been very helpful in giving me a bit of perspective, and I am trying to just relax and enjoy the fact she is active and happy.

I'm actually going with her on the "expensive holiday". I'm paying for myself and it is 3 times the price of any holiday I've ever been on, but it will make the travelling less stressful for her. I'm very much looking forward to spending time with her and making memories, and I'm sure it will be worth every penny.

I should be clear, my anxiety was not about any individual purchase, more about the wisdom of her spending half her available cash in a year. It seems quite childlike to me, but as most people think she is right, I'm quite happy to wind my neck in and just enjoy her while she's here.

OP posts:
CommentNow · 26/02/2024 08:24

LT1982 · 26/02/2024 07:21

She has furnished her home and had one very well deserved holiday.If you said it was all spent on holidays then yes that would be reckless, but she deserves to live in comfort.Her flat will be an asset to pay for her care.

Is it her care costs you are worried about or your inheritance?

Even if OP is worried about her inheritance, 75k is crazy for decorating a flat and a holiday. Even 20k on a holiday for one means her mum has spent 55k on decorating - not refurbishment, decorating!

Its taboo to talk about inheritance but come on, I cannot even imagine not wanting to spend some of that on helping my child out, paying for a family holiday together, a chunk of mortgage payments, a bit of childcare, moving costs, an extension, days out as a family. Anything really that would be an investment in my child would feel better to me than spending it all on myself with the nicest things money can buy.

FrenchandSaunders · 26/02/2024 08:18

There was never any question about us looking after her …. my fathers parents lived with them and my mum said it nearby cost them their marriage and said she’d never want that for us.

Pigglyplaystruant99 · 26/02/2024 08:17

You can see a financial adviser and transfer her property into a trust which will ring fence half of it. That means if she goes into care, only half of its value can be taken. We have just done this. It is legal and not classed as dissipation of assets, as it would should she transfer the whole house, given her age.

Daveandroger · 26/02/2024 08:17

No pockets in a shroud.

FrenchandSaunders · 26/02/2024 08:15

My mum had to go into a care home and she paid for it from the sale of her house. She paid for approx two years and then the council paid for the following five years before she died. They never asked me or my brother to contribute. She also stayed where she was, no pressure to move somewhere cheaper.

I will ensure I have enough money to be able to choose a decent place and pay for a while but there’s no point going without and hanging on to a load of money.

Your mum should enjoy herself whilst she’s able to.

CueilleLeJour · 26/02/2024 08:15

Singlemumto4k · 25/02/2024 21:53

Slightly concerned that you'll be left looking after her...wow do you realise how awful you make that sound. I would have given anything to be able to take care of my mum but had that chance cruelly taken away from me by my own sister. My mum was 60 when she passed away after being dumped in a care home by my sister which I wasn't even aware of till I got a phone call 3 days after being put in there saying she had died
Let her enjoy the time she has left

I've been deeply involved in caring for both my father, who died a grim 18 months after falling and breaking his hip at 80, and my FIL, who died after a brutal 18 months of dementia. I've also seen what that period of care did for my mother and MIL, who were broken women by the end.

It's precisely because I take my responsibilities for my family seriously that I am concerned about the future. I know if they need care I will be there for them - but I don't think it's selfish to be concerned about the possibility of spending my own retirement as an unpaid carer, or having one of them come and live with us. I've seen friends go through that - I will 100% do that if needed, but I know exactly what's involved, and it is far from easy.

I'm really sorry for your loss, and I know I am very lucky to have had my mum for so long. if your sister put your mum in a home without you knowing about it, I'm guessing you weren't very involved in her day to day care, perhaps because you didn't live nearby? So you might have a slightly romantic idea of what caring for a frail elderly parent is like.

It's striking on here that the ones who think I'm not being unreasonable have generally been more involved with elderly care. Of course if she's going to drop dead in the next few years she should spend all she can - I don't need it or want it. But I think it's those of us who have cared for someone very frail and dependent who know it's not always that easy.

OP posts:
4FoxxSake · 26/02/2024 08:14

My Mum did the same, she had lovely time. She only had 5 years of life after my Dad, before she passed away. She blew a lot! His pension, the downsizing house money, lots of holidays to places my Dad would never have gone.

At the time I was worried like yourself, but in retrospect it wasn't anything to do with me and she had a brilliant time.

Enjoy life while you can!

CommentNow · 26/02/2024 08:10

You'll get people saying it's her money, cant take it with you etc but sometimes this sort of thing is upsetting because it forces you to see things in a new light. Perhaps your dad was never the baddie you/your mum had him pegged as but someone that had to take control of finances because she was always spendy? Now you're getting to peer over her disapprovingly and it doesnt feel very nice.

Either way, its not a responsible or healthy way to spend money.

Perhaps she thinks of she spends it she can use taxpayers money for care and that that care will be of the standard she expects. The reality is that a bit of private home health may allow her to spend years longer in the comfort of her own home, support the purchase of a mobility scooter, just generally make life comfortable. Cleaner, carer, home help, DIY.

If she had a plan, X for holidays, Y for decorating etc but as it is, she is spending what she and your dad worked hard for at an unsustainable rate. Almost like a shopping/spending addiction. You'll get people saying she can spend it as she likes but if she was spending his fast on takeaways, bingo, her friends, on clothes, people would be on the same page.

Are you worried as well that she is assuming you'll fill the role of home help, shopping, cleaning, caring etc?

BobnLen · 26/02/2024 08:09

Both my parents dropped dead so it still happens

BobnLen · 26/02/2024 08:05

Ha ha ha, a spare £200k😂😂🤣