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Financequestionnewname · 18/02/2024 14:00

Having read another thread and considering my partner moving in. I want to be fair to both of us, is this fair or AIBU?

He rents his home out, very tiny mortgage.

He moves in and pays half council tax, half utilities, gas, electricity, water and phone, TV etc.

He pays amount in rent, not yet decided. He says no rent but them surely he gains in rental income from his property by living in my home.

Food split and other costs split or pay for our own items.

Thoughts please?

Is some rent being unreasonable?

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RawBloomers · 18/02/2024 15:17

TheSnowyOwl · 18/02/2024 14:05

I rented a place out for a while because I moved in with my now husband. Almost every year saw me out of pocket so don’t overestimate rental income. He will have to pay for a variety of things for the property to be rented, then agency fees, around £1000 for vetting and fees etc each time someone moves in, tax, repairs and regular maintenance, restoration etc when a tenant moves out and costs to re-let.

If you really want to be fair and consider the rental payments an income, you need to include all his outgoings as well including the additional costs of extra buildings and contents insurance (even if it’s empty, he will probably want contents for the carpets, floors, boiler etc, and rental payment protection.

If you’re going to go this far (and I don’t think it would be wrong to, necessarily) you also need to account for the appreciating asset of the house itself. Even though you might be out of pocket in the moment, a significant amount of the expenses are going into buying an asset you can sell at a later date, at which point you’ll be making a significant profit.

BeautifulViews · 18/02/2024 15:17

So he gets cheaper bills, his mortgage covered an £1k on top, you get cheaper bills. That's a really good deal I just have one change, you move into his place and rent out your place.

RawBloomers · 18/02/2024 15:12

Suggest looking at a spreadsheet showing how you’d both fare and comparing it to you moving in with him, renting your own home out and only paying half the bills.

GabriellaMontez · 18/02/2024 14:59

Hummusandstuff · 18/02/2024 14:37

He can pay his mortgage off quickly by moving in with you and you should be able to do the same. And yes I would think a woman moving to someone else’s house should contribute.
He should pay around half your total bills. You’ll both benefit.
Bit of a worry if he thinks he should be the only one to benefit.

Exactly this. You should both see a financial benefit to the arrangement.

AhNowTed · 18/02/2024 14:59

@Picklestop I think you are missing the point.

This isn't about a credit card bill.

It's about a new arrangement of him moving in which should benefit them BOTH, not just him.

If the tables were turned, I somehow doubt he would be happy for the OP to gain a rental income, and he gains nothing.

Picklestop · 18/02/2024 14:52

qabd · 18/02/2024 14:46

It's not rent, it's equally sharing the cost of living.

He's not a teenager and she's not his mother.

OP called it rent.

And sharing her capital mortgage payments is not sharing a living expense. That is like saying if she had massive credit card bills (a mortgage is just a debt) he should start to contribute to paying those off if he moved in.

The only expense item here is the mortgage interest cost and any general house maintenance, e.g. annual boiler service, which I have suggested is split.

Scarletttulips · 18/02/2024 14:48

DH moved into my house and I charged him half the morgage and half the bills - half the cost of living in my house, plus £100 a month on top so we could have holidays together:

I sold and we put my equity down as a deposit: it’s not ring fenced.

He saved as he wasn’t paying double for a shared house and have use of all the facilities.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 18/02/2024 14:47

Spirallingdownwards · 18/02/2024 14:42

No he isn't. He has tax, insurance, agents fees, maintenance costs etc, gas certification, electrical certification and other outgoings. Rent is never 100% profit despite what those who rent assume.

Yes potentially he could share profit element by way of rent.

Other than agent's fees, he had all of the other costs before or at least should have.

qabd · 18/02/2024 14:46

Picklestop · 18/02/2024 14:45

I cannot imagine charging a partner or spouse rent. But I think as well as bills he should make a contribution towards mortgage interest costs and general household maintenance.

Another thing to look at would be total outgoings for the two households separately, compare to the new combined expenses and share any saving.

It's not rent, it's equally sharing the cost of living.

He's not a teenager and she's not his mother.

Picklestop · 18/02/2024 14:45

I cannot imagine charging a partner or spouse rent. But I think as well as bills he should make a contribution towards mortgage interest costs and general household maintenance.

Another thing to look at would be total outgoings for the two households separately, compare to the new combined expenses and share any saving.

qabd · 18/02/2024 14:44

You should equally benefit from moving in together both financially and with the housework/DIY/chores etc.

Why don't you suggest moving in to his or renting a place together?
3 different spreadsheets with all the costings.

If he doesn't want to engage with this you have your answer, he just wants to benefit from the arrangement and doesn't really want you to benefit.

I live alone and there are lots of positives, as well as negatives, don't lose all the positives and none of the negatives so he can be mortgage free as soon as possible!

Spirallingdownwards · 18/02/2024 14:42

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 18/02/2024 14:37

You both should be benefiting equally from co-habiting.

At present, he is up £1500 but you are up nothing.

He puts £750 towards his mortgage and pays you £750 rent.

I'm probably going to move into to my DPs soon, unless we find a new house to buy, and I'll be saving in rent, if I give my him what I had been paying, then we benefiting equally.

No he isn't. He has tax, insurance, agents fees, maintenance costs etc, gas certification, electrical certification and other outgoings. Rent is never 100% profit despite what those who rent assume.

Yes potentially he could share profit element by way of rent.

MILTOBE · 18/02/2024 14:42

OK well I think he's trying to gaslight you and live off you, so really I think you shouldn't be with this complete loser.

Other than that, if he was an amazing man in this position I'd say: rent out his place and he should pay the tax on that income. Then whatever's left should be split between you. With his 50% he can pay the mortgage and then with your 50% you can overpay your mortgage, or you could each do whatever you want with the money. Each of you is responsible for any jobs on your own places.

Once in your place, all bills should then be split 50:50.

But, as I say, he's seeing you as a quick way to pay off his mortgage, so I would tell him where to go.

AhNowTed · 18/02/2024 14:40

@Hummusandstuff

"Bit of a worry if he thinks he should be the only one to benefit."

My thoughts exactly.

Financequestionnewname · 18/02/2024 14:40

barkymcbark · 18/02/2024 14:13

I'd say that you need to change the wording, half the bills is fine but he does need to contribute an amount to you losing space, him living and benefiting from your home.

My dp (now DH) when he first moved in paid for half the bills, but all the food, holidays and 'fun stuff' that way I was better off financially but he wasn't directly contributing towards the mortgage

Thanks I agree

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Financequestionnewname · 18/02/2024 14:38

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 18/02/2024 14:37

You both should be benefiting equally from co-habiting.

At present, he is up £1500 but you are up nothing.

He puts £750 towards his mortgage and pays you £750 rent.

I'm probably going to move into to my DPs soon, unless we find a new house to buy, and I'll be saving in rent, if I give my him what I had been paying, then we benefiting equally.

Thanks.

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Hummusandstuff · 18/02/2024 14:37

He can pay his mortgage off quickly by moving in with you and you should be able to do the same. And yes I would think a woman moving to someone else’s house should contribute.
He should pay around half your total bills. You’ll both benefit.
Bit of a worry if he thinks he should be the only one to benefit.

FinallyHere · 18/02/2024 14:37

FWIW, I'd say the agreement needed to be clear before he moved in. It makes everything so much easier if it's all discussed and agreement hound before the move in. That also has the advantage of finding out a bit more about what he is like as part of that process.

Only raising it or evenjbgxstartingctovthijnjxabpugbifbknce moved in is really not the right way imo.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 18/02/2024 14:37

You both should be benefiting equally from co-habiting.

At present, he is up £1500 but you are up nothing.

He puts £750 towards his mortgage and pays you £750 rent.

I'm probably going to move into to my DPs soon, unless we find a new house to buy, and I'll be saving in rent, if I give my him what I had been paying, then we benefiting equally.

Financequestionnewname · 18/02/2024 14:34

Ghuunvg · 18/02/2024 14:25

He wins and saves but I'm inconvenienced since giving up my space etc

WTF? Have you ever lived with someone before? It's not meant to be an inconvenience

When you've lived alone for a long time it's an adjustment. Yes I lived with by ex for many years. I found living alone offered many benefits, I can sleep through the night being quite useful

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Barrenfieldoffucks · 18/02/2024 14:31

What would he say if you suggested renting a place together and both renting your respective homes out? Be interesting to see how keen he is once it isn't going to make him a packet.

missmollygreen · 18/02/2024 14:29

When my partner moved in they paid half the bills and half the interest for the mortgage as "rent"

Financequestionnewname · 18/02/2024 14:25

We both benefit from one council tax, one water charge and one set of utilities. His current bills are low since he stays here often anyway.

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Ghuunvg · 18/02/2024 14:25

He wins and saves but I'm inconvenienced since giving up my space etc

WTF? Have you ever lived with someone before? It's not meant to be an inconvenience

NotQuiteNorma · 18/02/2024 14:22

AhNowTed · 18/02/2024 14:18

The only one gaining here is him.

You should BOTH be benefiting from the arrangement, and I don't mean half the bills which he would have to pay for in his own home anyway.

A contribution is totally fair.

Otherwise you're just giving up your space and privacy and incurring wear and tear for zero, meanwhile he gains a rental property.

And she gets her mortgage paid off faster with his contribution which only she benefits from the equity in. Yeah, sounds fair. I'm sure MNers would be advising a woman she should be paying towards her partner's mortgage and sharing her rental income too if she moved in with him.

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