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AIBU?

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It’s an inheritance one!

385 replies

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 07:57

I'm aware inheritance is quite polarising on mumsnet so I’m zipping up my thick skin in preparation.

So…. I have 1 sibling. They have and won’t have any children. I do - primary school age. My sibling and I are a similar amount of wealthy and if we were to die it’s enough to help someone in life but below inheritance tax thresholds.

Largely I expect my DC to earn their own money when they’re adults but I don’t see how they would ever buy a house without help and if I have enough I’d love to help them get on the ladder when the time comes.

My sibling has just told me that they are writing in their will to give anything they have to charity. I’m…. Sad.

On the one hand they should do whatever they want with their money. It’s their money. I have no right to ‘expect’ anything goes to my DC and certainly no power over where it goes.

But on the other I think it’s hypocritical. My sibling has, over their life, taken help from family (about half was an inheritance, they also took various help to get on their feet when starting out). Not loads of money but maybe 50 k over the years. I also took the inheritance I was given but not the additional help as I’ve always worked and expected to pay my own way. That’s fine - we make different choices in life. But this help was given to my sibling by very family oriented people and I know that their wish would be to ‘pay it forward’ to the younger generation (which in this case would be my children). Also we are both, as stands, set to inherit about £150 k each from my parents. Though that depends on care home fees.

So not to drip feed then I’m not sure I’ll live long enough to set my children up. 2 years ago I was diagnosed with cancer. It’s looking good at the moment and I’m hopeful. But my fear is that my children are left with a shit lot in life. I’d hoped that my sibling would step in if that happened but now I’m feeling like my children just aren’t that important in my siblings life.

AIBU?

YABU: money given historically is just that, ancient history, and should be spent by the receiver however they like. Family have no duty to help each other out financially. There are so many people in the world who don’t have the advantages that we do in the western world and you can affect more people’s lives through charity.

YANBU: family money is there to be passed down to the next generation. If you accept financial help from family you should expect to financially help family yourself.

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/02/2024 09:16

OP, does your sibling know that your parents will leave everything to her in the event that you pre-decease them? Might she be assuming that your portion will automatically pass to your children?

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 09:15

Herdinggoats · 18/02/2024 09:12

Lots of posts saying it depends on the degree of closeness between the children and the aunt. I notice this isn’t being addressed by the OP.

I’m working through messages. As you can see from my other messages I thought they were close - the closest family member.

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BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 09:14

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/02/2024 08:07

I've not voted because while I know I wouldn't be making that will given your family set up, I can't quite sign up to saying that family should always inherit. I'm sorry about your diagnosis and I wish you all the best for your treatment. I think it was insensitive of your sibling to tell you about their will in the present circumstances, when it should be obvious you will be worried about your children's future.

Possibly rather than talking to your sibling about the will, it would be best to have a frank talk about whether the sibling would feel able to become their guardian if needed?

We had that talk years ago and my sibling said they would be delighted to be their guardian if it ever came to it. That’s what’s in my and my husbands wills.

I think that’s part of my wobble- maybe my DC aren’t as important in my siblings life as I thought. I appreciate that they are my DC, not theirs, but I always thought my sibling cared a lot about my DC. I know financial and emotional care is different but it’s making me question if it’s definitely the right choice. There was also provision for my sibling in our will to make things easier for my sibling to look after themselves if they took our DC on (appreciating they’d have to make some different life choices and we didn’t want them to be out of pocket as a result).

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Jollyhockeysticks1985 · 18/02/2024 09:13

Sapphire387 · 18/02/2024 08:15

What kind of person, especially knowing their sibling was critically ill, would choose to leave their money away from their DN's and instead give it to charity?

That's not my idea of how family acts.

But this is mumsnet, where nobody owes anyone anything and we should all be pathetically grateful if our parents offer to look after our kids once a year.

OP, YANBU - this is callous of your sibling in my opinion.

Couldn’t agree more!

SwedishEdith · 18/02/2024 09:13

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 08:55

If I die before my parents then anything they have when they die will go to my sibling. And so then to charity.

Assuming my husband doesn’t remarry then my DC will inherit anything my husband owns at time of death. he personally won’t inherit anything from his family.

That sounds like a very odd decision by your parents. Have they told you that and said why they would choose to do that?

As for expecting your sibling to leave money to nieces and nephews, no. They can do what they like.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 18/02/2024 09:13

Yanbu. If you're a close family, and have a good relationship with your sibling then of course its hurtful that they would rather help random people or animals or whatever than help their own nieces / nephews

Herdinggoats · 18/02/2024 09:12

Lots of posts saying it depends on the degree of closeness between the children and the aunt. I notice this isn’t being addressed by the OP.

MixedPeel27 · 18/02/2024 09:10

I'd be more upset with your parents tbh.

I thought it was pretty normal for parents to leave estate to grandkids in the event that a child predecessors them.

Due to a recent death in our family we've all been updating our wills and everyone did basically the same thing: equal split to kids / cascading to their kids.

FWIW I think it's pretty callous of your sibling not to factor in the fact that your kids may need a little extra help if something happens to you. I'd be hurt by that too.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/02/2024 09:09

CwmYoy · 18/02/2024 09:02

I can't imagine doing that in her place. Family comes first, always.

I can't understand that black and white approach. Does the level of need not come into the equation at all for you?

For me, it's much more complex than that. Family does come first, but not to the exclusion of everyone else, no matter what.

BunniesRUs · 18/02/2024 09:09

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mondaytosunday · 18/02/2024 09:09

Sorry but YABU. My older sister has a much higher income then me or our younger sibling. She has no partner nor kids. I'm ok, have two kids but have some assets to leave to them. Other sibling has a disabled child who will need lifelong care. Older sister has told me that she will leave everything she has to our disabled niece. Even if i had little to leave my kids I think this is the right thing.
It's not the responsibility of your sibling to ensure your children's financial needs, just as it's not the responsibility of mine. She has seen where the money is needed - for yours a charity - and that's where it's going.

10ThousandSpoons · 18/02/2024 09:09

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 09:07

Thankyou. I think this is how I feel. It’s their money. But it’s not the choice I’d make if they had children.

if it was split charity and family I’d feel differently.

It's not what I have done in my will either but I have pledged a % to a charity dear to my heart upon my death and if anyone slagged that off I would be devastated.

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 09:07

Noicant · 18/02/2024 08:07

Yeah I had kids late, always intended to share any inheritance out between our nieces and nephews before we decided to have DC. If one of my siblings had cancer I would definitely be taking that into consideration when drawing up my will.

Look it’s her money and she has every right to do whatever she wants with it and you really shouldn’t criticise her for it but it’s probably not the choice I would make.

Thankyou. I think this is how I feel. It’s their money. But it’s not the choice I’d make if they had children.

if it was split charity and family I’d feel differently.

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10ThousandSpoons · 18/02/2024 09:06

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 09:02

I think that is my point… my sibling accepted financial help from wider family. (Including a little from me at one point - we’re that type of family that has traditionally helped each other out).

Some money did come from my Aunt.

Then I would ask if they could return the cash you helped them out with

10ThousandSpoons · 18/02/2024 09:05

determinedtomakethiswork · 18/02/2024 09:01

Stop getting your knickers in a twist, they are not dead! It is the OP who thinks she might die and wants someone to help her child. That is natural isn't it?

My knickers aren't in a twist. What a sexist put down.

Yes I understand OP is concerned for her children's future. This is probably why the sibling has let her know now, so OP can plan knowing this in mind.

The sibling is not dead but who knows what life will throw at us, that's why the will is sorted.

veryfondoftea · 18/02/2024 09:03

It's your parents that are being unreasonable. I would speak to them in your position. Explain that you're worried about their grand children's future and your share be passed on to them

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 09:02

User5512 · 18/02/2024 08:10

Your brother and you got/will get help/inheritance from your parents. Not from uncles/aunts. Do you see the point?

I think that is my point… my sibling accepted financial help from wider family. (Including a little from me at one point - we’re that type of family that has traditionally helped each other out).

Some money did come from my Aunt.

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CwmYoy · 18/02/2024 09:02

I can't imagine doing that in her place. Family comes first, always.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/02/2024 09:02

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 08:55

If I die before my parents then anything they have when they die will go to my sibling. And so then to charity.

Assuming my husband doesn’t remarry then my DC will inherit anything my husband owns at time of death. he personally won’t inherit anything from his family.

So why not ask your parents to change their will so that your portion goes to your dc if you pre-decease them? This seems perfectly reasonable to me?

determinedtomakethiswork · 18/02/2024 09:01

10ThousandSpoons · 18/02/2024 08:00

If I were your sibling I would be so upset with you. They've told you their will so that there's no surprises for you and instead you're judging them and posting about it on the Internet as if it's such a horrific thing to do. Do you even like them? HOW DARE you make their death about you and your child.

Stop getting your knickers in a twist, they are not dead! It is the OP who thinks she might die and wants someone to help her child. That is natural isn't it?

Gingertam · 18/02/2024 08:59

Typical Mumsnet holier than thou voting. I agree OP. If I didn't have children I would have probably left some to charity but the house would have been left to my niece and nephew. No point stressing about it but it would certainly alter my feelings to my sibling if I were you. You need to let it go though. Sorry about your illness.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/02/2024 08:59

I'm astonished at the entitlement on this thread, and at the suggestion from many that it's somehow morally wrong not to leave everything to family, or that not leaving money to family is somehow evidence that someone doesn't care about their relatives.

My extended family is very close and we have always done a lot to help each other. We absolutely have each other's backs, but that doesn't mean that we automatically feel entitled to each other's money.

I have caring responsibilities for an elderly aunt who never had children. She is quite wealthy. I know exactly how much money she has and what's in her will because I have lasting power of attorney for her and have dealt extensively with her bank, her solicitor etc. She will not leave any money to me in her will, or to her other nieces and nephews, and honestly, it never even occurred to me to consider this. I have no doubt that, if one of us was in financial difficulty, she would bend over backwards to help, but none of us are on the breadline, so she probably just feels that her money can be used more effectively elsewhere. I understand that...my aunt probably wants to leave her own mark on the world, and leaving a sizeable sum to a charity of her choice is a way of doing exactly that. I don't understand why a pp described that as "a waste" - of course it isn't, if you have chosen the charity carefully.

Money is just money. It doesn't in any way represent what someone means to you or how much you care, and it's a shame in my view if decisions about money become the measure of a relationship. Yes, I would absolutely family to help each other out in times of real need, but not to feel obliged to leave money to people who are already well provided for. Family bonds are surely about so much more than this?

OP, it sounds to me as if your dsis feels that your own dc will be reasonably well taken care of. Perhaps she assumes that you have life insurance in place and that your parents will leave anything that would have passed to you to your kids if you're not around. If you're concerned that this isn't the case and that they will genuinely struggle financially - especially if something happens to you - then share those worries with your dsis, by all means. I very much doubt that she'll want to see them go without, but if she thinks that they're already adequately provided for, then it's not unreasonable for her to want to pass on her money in a way that will really make a difference... that's part of her own personal legacy and the difference that her life will have made to the world.

PoppingTomorrow · 18/02/2024 08:58

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 08:55

If I die before my parents then anything they have when they die will go to my sibling. And so then to charity.

Assuming my husband doesn’t remarry then my DC will inherit anything my husband owns at time of death. he personally won’t inherit anything from his family.

You don't sound upset with your parents for not leaving what would otherwise be your share of inheritance to your child.

PoppingTomorrow · 18/02/2024 08:57

Sapphire387 · 18/02/2024 08:15

What kind of person, especially knowing their sibling was critically ill, would choose to leave their money away from their DN's and instead give it to charity?

That's not my idea of how family acts.

But this is mumsnet, where nobody owes anyone anything and we should all be pathetically grateful if our parents offer to look after our kids once a year.

OP, YANBU - this is callous of your sibling in my opinion.

Maybe the sibling is anticipating they may need to care for OP's child?

Maybe the sibling interprets "pay it forward’ to the younger generation" as being wider than OP's child - allowing other children who wouldn't otherwise benefit from intergenerational wealth to get a start in life.

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 08:55

Midnlghtrain · 18/02/2024 08:08

I'm sorry to hear you're unwell and worried about security for your children in the future.

Realistically, if you were to die before your sibling - would your parents not give your part of the inheritance to your DC? Why would your sibling need to step in to cover this? If they do outlive you, it's likely they'll end up spending the money on their own life?

Will your DC not inherit / get support from their father's side? It's more on him, rather than your sibling. Do you not have any type of life insurance that will pay out for your DC?

If I die before my parents then anything they have when they die will go to my sibling. And so then to charity.

Assuming my husband doesn’t remarry then my DC will inherit anything my husband owns at time of death. he personally won’t inherit anything from his family.

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