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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

It’s an inheritance one!

385 replies

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 07:57

I'm aware inheritance is quite polarising on mumsnet so I’m zipping up my thick skin in preparation.

So…. I have 1 sibling. They have and won’t have any children. I do - primary school age. My sibling and I are a similar amount of wealthy and if we were to die it’s enough to help someone in life but below inheritance tax thresholds.

Largely I expect my DC to earn their own money when they’re adults but I don’t see how they would ever buy a house without help and if I have enough I’d love to help them get on the ladder when the time comes.

My sibling has just told me that they are writing in their will to give anything they have to charity. I’m…. Sad.

On the one hand they should do whatever they want with their money. It’s their money. I have no right to ‘expect’ anything goes to my DC and certainly no power over where it goes.

But on the other I think it’s hypocritical. My sibling has, over their life, taken help from family (about half was an inheritance, they also took various help to get on their feet when starting out). Not loads of money but maybe 50 k over the years. I also took the inheritance I was given but not the additional help as I’ve always worked and expected to pay my own way. That’s fine - we make different choices in life. But this help was given to my sibling by very family oriented people and I know that their wish would be to ‘pay it forward’ to the younger generation (which in this case would be my children). Also we are both, as stands, set to inherit about £150 k each from my parents. Though that depends on care home fees.

So not to drip feed then I’m not sure I’ll live long enough to set my children up. 2 years ago I was diagnosed with cancer. It’s looking good at the moment and I’m hopeful. But my fear is that my children are left with a shit lot in life. I’d hoped that my sibling would step in if that happened but now I’m feeling like my children just aren’t that important in my siblings life.

AIBU?

YABU: money given historically is just that, ancient history, and should be spent by the receiver however they like. Family have no duty to help each other out financially. There are so many people in the world who don’t have the advantages that we do in the western world and you can affect more people’s lives through charity.

YANBU: family money is there to be passed down to the next generation. If you accept financial help from family you should expect to financially help family yourself.

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Charlie2121 · 18/02/2024 09:36

You are being very unreasonable. It is not the job of your sibling to provide for your child.

It is their money to do as they chose with.

It wouldn’t cross my mind to leave any of my money to nieces or nephews nor would I expect my DC to receive any from my siblings one of whom is childless. She can leave it to the cats home for all I care.

My DC is my responsibility not someone else’s.

tutttutt · 18/02/2024 09:36

10ThousandSpoons · 18/02/2024 08:00

If I were your sibling I would be so upset with you. They've told you their will so that there's no surprises for you and instead you're judging them and posting about it on the Internet as if it's such a horrific thing to do. Do you even like them? HOW DARE you make their death about you and your child.

It's more that sibling was happy to share family money when it was going to them but even though the OP may be dying the sibling has no compunction to behave in the same family focussed way giving forward.

The sibling isn't dying. The OP may be. There is no impending death if the sibling that you seem so fraught about

flatmop · 18/02/2024 09:34

I think it depends on the finances of the families. If you had two high-flying well-off parents it would seem silly to get annoyed about a sibling leaving money to charity.

I'm your sister in this situation. We have a sister on both sides and a niece and nephew on both sides. Our sisters and their husbands are fairly normal earners. They own average houses with mortgages but don't have the kind of money that could give their children a head-start. We're in a similar position but without the expense of children so have a slightly bigger house and, I suspect, more savings. If we both died tomorrow our estate would be work around £600k with equity, savings and life insurance (most of this amount being insurance paying off our sizeable mortgage). It would feel cruel leaving our money to a charity when it could have a massive impact for our siblings. Our wills leave everything to sibling, if either predecease us it goes to their husband (the children are young) and then to nieces and nephews. The split remains 50:50 between the two sides regardless of who is and isn't here.

Mumof2NDers · 18/02/2024 09:34

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/02/2024 09:02

So why not ask your parents to change their will so that your portion goes to your dc if you pre-decease them? This seems perfectly reasonable to me?

my DSis and I have had a similar conversation with DM. Her will was written when DSis still lived at home. The will states that if either DSis or I die before DM the remaining living DD gets the others share effectively cutting out GC on one side or the other.
In the end we decided it wasn’t worth the hassle and £ to change the will. DSis and I are very close and wouldn’t screw each other over.

Mothership4two · 18/02/2024 09:34

Gingertam · 18/02/2024 08:59

Typical Mumsnet holier than thou voting. I agree OP. If I didn't have children I would have probably left some to charity but the house would have been left to my niece and nephew. No point stressing about it but it would certainly alter my feelings to my sibling if I were you. You need to let it go though. Sorry about your illness.

OP is asking people to vote on what they feel about inheritance not her particular situation - well that's how they worded it. I don't feel I have any rights over other family members inheritance. We are leaving everything to our DC but that is our choice. I have seen some pretty grubby and entitled attitudes to inheritance by families of very elderly or deceased people.

Your hypothetical decision Ginger to leave some money to charity really falls under the YABU vote. You are choosing not to pass everything down the family line.

Of course it would be kind for the OP's sister to leave something for her DC under the circumstances but there's not a lot she can do about it other than bring it up which would probably be awkward. I would be having a conversation with the GPs though.

burnoutbabe · 18/02/2024 09:34

Haydenn · 18/02/2024 08:18

I’m a single person and have lost my chance to have children. As is I have built a full life of my own focused on other things. When I die I want to support those things I have built my life around.

You have built your life around your children, so want to support them, why shouldn’t your sister be able to support what she cares about too?

Tru
But she is clearly saying her nephew /niece isn't someone dhs she cares about.

50/50 charity /child would be fine.

ProvincialLady1 · 18/02/2024 09:33

I can't believe all the "YABU" answers. Your sibling is family, presumably they know about your cancer diagnosis. Why on earth wouldn't they want to help their nieces/nephews in the event of their death? Are we really so utterly individualistic as a culture we've lost the concept of mutual responsibility, duty and caring for one another?

KimberleyClark · 18/02/2024 09:32

DB has one child, I am childless. We both inherited equally when DM died. DB has specifically told us - DH and I - that we don’t need to leave DN anything, that they will be very well provided for when the time comes. DB and his DP have always earned way more than me. Of course if there is anything left over, taking into account possible care needs etc, DN will get it.

OP I am sorry about your cancer diagnosis but you are being a bit entitled as far as your sibling’s money is concerned.

ssd · 18/02/2024 09:32

Aprilx · 18/02/2024 09:29

Firstly why are you assuming that your children will never be able to buy an house? You are writing your children off before (I assume) they are even adults.

I don’t have children, but I have a lot in assets. I find it quite irritating that my sibling makes it very clear that she expects her child to benefit from my death.

But surely if you were in your sisters position you'd feel the same?

Haveyouanyjam · 18/02/2024 09:31

There are two different things here. Would your sibling take on your children and do what they can to support them financially if you die prematurely? Or will they leave their money to them.

My sister is wealthy and has no children and I would guess she will leave a significant proportion of any money she has to charity, though I hadn’t really thought about it until now. I wouldn’t expect her to leave anything to my children and I would imagine if she did it would be for a specific purpose. However, I think if I died suddenly she would absolutely step in to help support them if that were necessary. It’s a different thing to support your nieces and nephews whilst alive and if they have lost their parent, than leaving money to them after you die.

You can’t expect either but the first is a sensible conversation to have under the circumstances.

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 18/02/2024 09:31

Simply put regardless of what came from where.
It is the testators choice at every level.
So someone gets money left to them, it is their choice what they do with it. Honestly, it is as simple as that.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/02/2024 09:29

I don’t think YABU at all, OP, but it’s ’the law’ on MN that anyone who dares to expect any inheritance, even from their own parents, is ‘grabby’.

Particularly since your sister had herself benefited from an inheritance, IMO she ought to pass at least some of what she’s got down the line. Especially since she must surely be aware how much harder it is for young people nowadays re housing costs - both buying and renting.

Aprilx · 18/02/2024 09:29

Firstly why are you assuming that your children will never be able to buy an house? You are writing your children off before (I assume) they are even adults.

I don’t have children, but I have a lot in assets. I find it quite irritating that my sibling makes it very clear that she expects her child to benefit from my death.

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 09:29

Galliano · 18/02/2024 08:32

Assuming your siblings does acquire assets from your parents and does not use them in their own lifetime then I'm of the view those should be left within the family. Wealth the sibling created themself they can do as they please with. Perhaps you could talk to your parents about their own will on the basis of making sure that if you predecease them your 'share' should go to your children and not revert to sibling - this will depend entirely on right wording so justifiable to check. If your parents realise in the course of the conversation what your sibling's will says then they may choose to write their own in a different way (e.g. life interest only to sibling).

Thankyou. I think this is good advice.

Im not comfortable talking to my parents about what my siblings will says but I could ask if anything I would have got could go into trust for my DC without mentioning any reason why.

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ssd · 18/02/2024 09:29

I would be thinking the same as you op. If your sibling is your kids guardian but wants to leave all their money to charity, I'd be seriously considering how in tune with my kids they are and how much they are considering what guardianship means. Its not the money, its the care behind it I'd worry about.

Maybe there's a silver lining here. Maybe its time to question whether your sibling would be the best guardian for your kids. Blood isn't always thicker than water.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/02/2024 09:25

thefallen · 18/02/2024 09:20

Giving to charity is a very worthy and generous thing to do.

That very much depends on the charity. If I were to plan a huge bequest to a charity rather than family, I'd be taking a long hard look at the accounts and general standing of all the potential recipients.

JaninaDuszejko · 18/02/2024 09:25

We asked for the wording in our wills to be changed so that if DB or BIL died before us that any money that would have gone to him would go to his children. The default wording was that if a sibling died before us their share would be split between the other siblings which surprised me.

We have our own DC now but before we had them our money was to be split between our siblings and cousins. DDad inherited money from various childfree aunts and uncles. I think it's fairly standard.

@BacktoBreathe I don't think there's anything you can or should do about your sibling but it might be worth talking to your parents about their will and discussing the possibility of you dying before them due to your cancer diagnosis. Say that if that happened you'd want your children to inherit your share from their grandparents, say you're happy for it to be put in trust so your DH won't have access. Do your parents know your sibling is giving everything to charity? Might be worth dropping into the conversation 'of course, my sibling can do what they want with their own money but are you happy for them to do that with all your money?' Suspect your parents haven't considered you dying first rather than it being a deliberate choice to disinherit their grandchildren. Seems very unfair for grandchildren to have lost their mother then lose out on an inheritance fromthatside of the family as well.

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 09:22

Thisisnotarehearsal · 18/02/2024 08:29

Wow dramatic much?

Someone with cancer worrying about the future of their kids and saddened that they've just found out that it looks like they can't rely on any help from their sibling and therefore asking for advice on an anonymous internet forum is not horrific.

The brutal gang rape of girls during the invasion of Ukraine is horrific, the beheading of babies in Israel during the terrorist Hamas attack is horrific.

Try and develop a sense of empathy. If you were worried about dying while your kids were young you might need to sound off too.

@BacktoBreathe in your situation I would be sad too. I wouldn't expect anything from my sibling but I would have hoped they would want to help their family. I know if I was in their position so long as I had a good relationship with them, I would want to leave at least half to charity but the rest to family.

Did you speak to your sibling at all about this?

I can say I do know someone in this position who does not plan to leave their money to the nieces and nephews. In that instance, the person does not get along with their sibling, they don't fight bet there is no common ground. Furthermore despite always doing their best with their siblings offspring, they themselves don't get so much as a xmas card now those kids are young adults.

Could your sibling feel quite distant from you as a family unit?

Thankyou for your reply.

i thought we were close. I’d describe my sibling as my closest family member and they were the named guardian if something happens to both my husband and I.

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Cowboybuilderwoes · 18/02/2024 09:21

I heavily disagree with your focus about family money and how your sibling has got more help - it sounds like you’re clutching at straws and that’s all irrelevant.

However, I do believe leaving everything to charity, unless that charity has a significant meaning to your sibling, is weird. Yes the end user of charity may benefit but realistically that money will go on the CEO, the staff and keeping buildings going. I’ve worked with many charities and it’s a reason I refuse to give money to many of them. The smaller ones are much better though. If I had a choice between random charity and a family member, I’d always choose family. I find it weird if someone wouldn’t unless there’s a backstory.

So I think YANBU to feel upset but I don’t agree with how you’ve framed it.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/02/2024 09:21

I do think that, morally, if she inherits everything from your parents, she should at least pass on "your share" to your kids. However, I also think that your parents should pre-empt this by changing their wills to ensure that your share passes directly to your kids. Do your parents know that your dsis plans to leave everything to charity? I think this is the issue that you need to address first.

MrsClatterbuck · 18/02/2024 09:20

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 08:55

If I die before my parents then anything they have when they die will go to my sibling. And so then to charity.

Assuming my husband doesn’t remarry then my DC will inherit anything my husband owns at time of death. he personally won’t inherit anything from his family.

Surely if your parents have divided their estate between you and your sister in their will. If you predecease them your share will go to your kids. At least that's my understanding.

thefallen · 18/02/2024 09:20

Giving to charity is a very worthy and generous thing to do.

Riverlee · 18/02/2024 09:20

Your sister is probably thinking she’s going a lovely thing, by helping those in need, and maybe think that by doing this, she is repaying kindness shown to her.

BacktoBreathe · 18/02/2024 09:20

Haydenn · 18/02/2024 08:18

I’m a single person and have lost my chance to have children. As is I have built a full life of my own focused on other things. When I die I want to support those things I have built my life around.

You have built your life around your children, so want to support them, why shouldn’t your sister be able to support what she cares about too?

For any wealth they have built personally I agree with you.

its the part that was built from family help that I’m struggling with.

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SwedishEdith · 18/02/2024 09:20

How old is your sibling? Because I was in my 50s when the last of my aunts and uncles died. How old are your children likely to be by the time your sibling might die? It's a very weird subject to be thinking about because, as a fully independent adult, it would never have crossed my mind that I would inherit anything from an aunt or uncle.