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To pull back from MIL as much as possible

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evb83 · 15/02/2024 16:25

It's a long post but need to give the background!
DH and I have been married 10 years this year, we have two DC ages 8 and 6. We met and lived in London until I fell pregnant and decided to move to either near my family, or near my in-laws. We chose my in-laws because it's a nicer area and DH was keen to come back here. Both sets of parents are approx 150 miles from London but in different directions, so it means I'm not close to my own family at all.
MIL has always been nice enough to my face but we've never been best friends, we wouldn't ever do anything just the two of us. She's never said anything until recently but I could always tell she thought I wasn't good enough for her son - that no-one would be. She's just one of those types!
She said to me when first DC was born that she's not the maternal type, she isn't a hands-on grandmother. Fine by me, I'm not the sort to want others around all the time anyway, although appreciate that children benefit from a grandparent relationship.
I was a SAHM for 7 years until both DC were at school so didn't need regular childcare; MIL would babysit every so often when DH and I went out but she always had to be asked, she would never offer. DC didn't like going there, they basically sat on tablets/phones the whole time with the occasional trip to the park. MIL wouldn't even think about taking them for a day out to the zoo or anything like that.
Then a year ago I got a term time job, 3 days a week, and we asked if she would do school pick up for 2 of those days each week and bring them home and stay with them until I'm home from work, so about 1.5 hours each day. She was happy to do it - great, it could improve their relationship, I thought!
Fast forward to just before last Christmas. MIL was upset about something trivial, she is a bit of a drama queen and gets upset like a toddler does. She said some things to DH about me, who in turn told me, and I said we need to all have a conversation the next day and get it all out in the open. I'm not a confrontational person at all, I hate it, but things needed to be said. So the next day comes and the three of us have a 45 minute long frank discussion - calmly, no raised voices - where she tells me that no one is good enough for her son, or her daughter (her daughter has been married for longer than us and has three children, the oldest being 8 years older than our eldest. She has always looked after them a lot but it's always the same with them in that they go to her house, she'll never take them out anywhere or do anything fun with them), she finds me unapproachable, we have nothing in common, and that I took her son away from her when we got married. (Bear in mind that he lived 150 miles away from her before we married, and now we live 3 miles away because we chose to come back here to start our family!! So as far as I'm concerned I actually brought him back to her.)
But what bothered me the most was when she said she doesn't care about anything or anyone in her life except DH and his sister...she doesn't care about her husband (not DH's dad), her elderly mum who is ill, her brother. Then she said "I love all my grandchildren but I wouldn't care if I never see any of them again."
Well. That's it. I didn't even really react at the time because I was dumbfounded! DH told her to stop talking then because she is burning bridges. She left.
DH apologised for his mum, he knows she's useless and has had many an argument with her over the years about how little she sees us and the kids. He said if I ever want to have it out with her and have a bitchy screaming match he will totally be on my side (not my style though!)
But ever since then you wouldn't even know she'd said all that, she's completely normal around me, texts me when she needs to and uses blowing kiss emojis etc, she's perfectly nice to my face. As far as I'm concerned I don't want her around us anymore, unfortunately unless we put DC in the after school club three days a week which is quite expensive, we need her. So I am civil to her, but I don't ask how she is and what she's been up to, like I used to. I won't go round to hers if I can possibly help it, DH can go and take the kids if he likes but I won't go. I don't want the whole thing brushed under the carpet because she said hurtful things (I don't really care what she thinks of me, it's the comment about my DC I don't like) but I don't know how to act around her. AIBU in not letting go in this way or should I just forget it and move on?

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GardenGrind · 29/03/2024 09:43

Is it worth approaching this from another angle. This could sound like a huge cry for help from your MIL. That emotionally she is just a mess, she has no extra capacity beyond a bare minimum. Must be very frightening to feel that although you are going through the motions with the GC that she has no energy or hormones to feel any bond.
Women's hormonal health needs a massive amount of research - all this could be solved with an extra boost of a hormone or a vitamin. Worth considering....

diddl · 29/03/2024 09:28

Well it's obviously difficult to move when both have jobs & kids are settled in school.

It sounds as if you should have moved way before now if you were going to.

Your husband has said that he knows his mum is useless & has complained about how little she sees you & the kids but you went to her for childcare?

I actually think that she should have said no at that point.

I can see why you are pissed off with what she said but my goodness.

If she knows you complain about her not taking the kids out, watching tv when she babysits I can see her point!

You sound so ungrateful.

PotatoPudding · 29/03/2024 08:43

As you said, they go there after school to have a relationship with her and not to save you money.

toomuchfaff · 29/03/2024 08:34

Duolingo · 15/02/2024 16:29

As far as I'm concerned I don't want her around us anymore, unfortunately unless we put DC in the after school club three days a week which is quite expensive, we need her.

Just pay it op....
I'm sorry ☹️

OP it all depends on what you value more... the money or your thoughts on MIL... you can't have it both ways or you're a hypocrite.

NC and you need to pay for childcare
MIL and you don't pay but you lose your soul. Maybe a bit of an exaggeration but the jist...

lookwhatyoudidthere · 29/03/2024 08:26

It's stories like these that remind me that I'm never moving to be near my in-laws- I'd rather pay childcare fees and not have the sass/drama. Can you afford to move back to London?

Noyesnoyes · 29/03/2024 06:46

So you want to pull back as much as possible but retain the free childcare?

Childcare that you asked her to do, even though you said your children didn't like going there?

But you asked for it in the hope of a better relationship? Not because it was free?

The better relationship hasn't happened so why is it now about cost? Because it always was?

PotatoPudding · 29/03/2024 06:34

You don’t want your kids around her anymore…

Apart from twice a week for free childcare.

I feel for you; I really do. She’s obviously not a kind hearted person and sounds similar to my MIL. However, you had no income at all for 7 years, so as long as you enjoy your job and are not in deficit after childcare costs, you’re winning, especially as your costs are term time only.

Moonshine5 · 29/03/2024 06:23

It appears hypocritical to use her for childcare and distance yourself at the same time.

If it's only "3 hours" can't you make a cut back somewhere else to pay for after school club.

MzHz · 13/03/2024 09:30

HelenTherese2 · 19/02/2024 14:12

She sounds either depressed or neurodiverse to be honest.

that's what i immediately thought to be honest

mullers1977 · 12/03/2024 09:13

SOxon · 15/02/2024 16:57

Rightmove, tweaked cv, declutter, recommended removal firm, don’t look back

yes !!! move on - she’s the past and not willing or wanting to be part of the present or future x

Gummybear23 · 22/02/2024 18:51

Duolingo · 15/02/2024 16:29

As far as I'm concerned I don't want her around us anymore, unfortunately unless we put DC in the after school club three days a week which is quite expensive, we need her.

Just pay it op....
I'm sorry ☹️

You are then just using her.

Hankunamatata · 22/02/2024 18:45

She sounds unhinged. Is she mentally well?

Tiptop3 · 22/02/2024 18:33

Your MIL sounds like my mum about 15 years ago. She was inappropriate, said strange things, displayed personality splits and was quite cutting if we didn't agree with her. Then the next day acted as if nothing had been said. It was very confusing times not just for us but probably for herself too. Our mum was eventually diagnosed with dementia.

I'm not saying your MIL has it as I don't know her but some of the things you are saying reminded me.

UtopiaCookbook · 19/02/2024 23:04

I’d let it go, OP. It sounds like a silly, self-dramatising thing said in anger, which is contradicted by her actions.

EMUKE · 19/02/2024 22:58

Ok is there any chance while the kids are young for you to move, up root and go to your support system (your family) I almost had this predicament but thank god my mum came through. I thought with the kids being young that was the most difficult part. ITS NOT! You will need more and more support as they get older. Not just childcare but extra help. Your family haven't been mentioned but are your little ones missing out on your family going above and beyond wanting to spend every minute bonding with them and looking after them? Have a think as it get harder and you will need more support.

SuMo24 · 19/02/2024 22:50

I would use her for all she is worth for childcare to suit me, keep on good terms with her for the hubby’s/wider family’s sake ( at arms length) and kill her with kindness (nothing makes someone feel guilty more 😂) and eventually you will no longer need her for your childcare and even if she did mean what she said about the children that says more about her as a person than you, she sounds like she might have said it for a reaction therefore don’t give one as that might just be what she was after. You don’t want to be the one to upset the status quo, otherwise it’ll just give her more to moan about. You don’t have to like the woman but just put up with her as best you can.

MissMelanieH · 19/02/2024 19:15

the way you describe loving grandparents that provide childcare is defensive. So people have to grow up if they think it’s ok to ask family to babysit? It’s not when people deem it’s necessary as I said most grandparents want to be more involved. My parents don’t sit about waiting to be childcare, they’ve very much got their own lives and that includes supporting their children and grandchildren.

I'm not sure I'm the defensive player be here to be honest, we have different types of parents and different views on this scenario, which I'm happy to accept. At the end of the day people post on her to get a whole range of opinions about a particular issue don't they?

For what it's worth, I didn't say "people need to grow up for thinking it's ok to babysit"

I said that my own relationship with my parents improved when I recognised that they were people with their own lives rather than genetic "grandparents" who were waiting around to babysit.

Do I wish I'd had the latter? Yes sometimes but equally I think I've made my peace with how things panned out and shared this to offer another perspective on this situation.

At the end of the day we weren't there and we don't know these people so nobody really knows who's right and who's wrong do they?

moomoomoo27 · 19/02/2024 18:36

It sounds like the best thing for your kids is to put them in after school club, given they don't like her and she ignores them. At least they'll be stimulated.

HelenTherese2 · 19/02/2024 14:12

She sounds either depressed or neurodiverse to be honest.

Tiredmama53 · 19/02/2024 12:42

evb83 · 15/02/2024 16:25

It's a long post but need to give the background!
DH and I have been married 10 years this year, we have two DC ages 8 and 6. We met and lived in London until I fell pregnant and decided to move to either near my family, or near my in-laws. We chose my in-laws because it's a nicer area and DH was keen to come back here. Both sets of parents are approx 150 miles from London but in different directions, so it means I'm not close to my own family at all.
MIL has always been nice enough to my face but we've never been best friends, we wouldn't ever do anything just the two of us. She's never said anything until recently but I could always tell she thought I wasn't good enough for her son - that no-one would be. She's just one of those types!
She said to me when first DC was born that she's not the maternal type, she isn't a hands-on grandmother. Fine by me, I'm not the sort to want others around all the time anyway, although appreciate that children benefit from a grandparent relationship.
I was a SAHM for 7 years until both DC were at school so didn't need regular childcare; MIL would babysit every so often when DH and I went out but she always had to be asked, she would never offer. DC didn't like going there, they basically sat on tablets/phones the whole time with the occasional trip to the park. MIL wouldn't even think about taking them for a day out to the zoo or anything like that.
Then a year ago I got a term time job, 3 days a week, and we asked if she would do school pick up for 2 of those days each week and bring them home and stay with them until I'm home from work, so about 1.5 hours each day. She was happy to do it - great, it could improve their relationship, I thought!
Fast forward to just before last Christmas. MIL was upset about something trivial, she is a bit of a drama queen and gets upset like a toddler does. She said some things to DH about me, who in turn told me, and I said we need to all have a conversation the next day and get it all out in the open. I'm not a confrontational person at all, I hate it, but things needed to be said. So the next day comes and the three of us have a 45 minute long frank discussion - calmly, no raised voices - where she tells me that no one is good enough for her son, or her daughter (her daughter has been married for longer than us and has three children, the oldest being 8 years older than our eldest. She has always looked after them a lot but it's always the same with them in that they go to her house, she'll never take them out anywhere or do anything fun with them), she finds me unapproachable, we have nothing in common, and that I took her son away from her when we got married. (Bear in mind that he lived 150 miles away from her before we married, and now we live 3 miles away because we chose to come back here to start our family!! So as far as I'm concerned I actually brought him back to her.)
But what bothered me the most was when she said she doesn't care about anything or anyone in her life except DH and his sister...she doesn't care about her husband (not DH's dad), her elderly mum who is ill, her brother. Then she said "I love all my grandchildren but I wouldn't care if I never see any of them again."
Well. That's it. I didn't even really react at the time because I was dumbfounded! DH told her to stop talking then because she is burning bridges. She left.
DH apologised for his mum, he knows she's useless and has had many an argument with her over the years about how little she sees us and the kids. He said if I ever want to have it out with her and have a bitchy screaming match he will totally be on my side (not my style though!)
But ever since then you wouldn't even know she'd said all that, she's completely normal around me, texts me when she needs to and uses blowing kiss emojis etc, she's perfectly nice to my face. As far as I'm concerned I don't want her around us anymore, unfortunately unless we put DC in the after school club three days a week which is quite expensive, we need her. So I am civil to her, but I don't ask how she is and what she's been up to, like I used to. I won't go round to hers if I can possibly help it, DH can go and take the kids if he likes but I won't go. I don't want the whole thing brushed under the carpet because she said hurtful things (I don't really care what she thinks of me, it's the comment about my DC I don't like) but I don't know how to act around her. AIBU in not letting go in this way or should I just forget it and move on?

I know it might not be feasible but personally I'd be packing up and moving everyone to live near my own family if my MIL did this. Then she could complain about you taking him away. I'd also me making sure my DH called his sister and let her know what was said about her partner and kids. What an absolute piece of work.

Hjondf · 19/02/2024 10:18

She sounds neurodivergent and is without a filter. I’d just pay out for the childcare though as I wouldn’t want to feel beholding to someone who holds you in such contempt.

Harry12345 · 19/02/2024 09:53

MissMelanieH · 18/02/2024 12:06

@Harry12345 I can't really see the point of saying this to be honest? I'm glad your dc have good grandparents, mine actually do have a lovely relationship now but I've had to accept that my parents don't exist to do things the way I planned them and to provide childcare whenever I deem it necessary. I think a lot of parents can feel entitled to grandparent's childcare but in fact they're people with their own lives.

The jarring thing about the OP to me is that it is all about the MIL and how useful she is to the OP's family life and doesn't consider whether in fact MIL might be a but frustrated by this and want to be treated as a person in her own right.

So call it "defensive" if you like but I found that mine and my dc relationship with them improved when I grew up a bit a realised that they still loved us even if they weren't sitting around waiting to jump up and provide childcare whenever we wanted it.

the way you describe loving grandparents that provide childcare is defensive. So people have to grow up if they think it’s ok to ask family to babysit? It’s not when people deem it’s necessary as I said most grandparents want to be more involved. My parents don’t sit about waiting to be childcare, they’ve very much got their own lives and that includes supporting their children and grandchildren.

redalex261 · 19/02/2024 01:03

Her statement doesn’t make sense, it’s a direct contradiction. How can she love a bunch of relatives yet simultaneously not care if she ever saw those people again? Are you and your DH sure that’s exactly what she said or meant to say, did anyone ask her to explain?
I get she may not be overenthusiastic about kids in general (makes her providing childcare quite a sacrifice!). Is it possible she feels put upon by doing the babysitting for ALL her grandkids (not just yours) and that's what she means about not caring if she ever saw any of them again?
Your husband should speak to her to clarify what she actually meant. If you feel she doesn't care about the children or doesn't want to babysit on a regular basis just sort out paid after school care.

Obviously your relationship with her is never going to be warm but there is no need to fall out with her altogether if she is just fed up with the babysitting.

PopandFizz · 19/02/2024 00:25

Some nasty comments on here...

I would say you need to revisit the conversation, as awful as it is. This kind of thing can't be just swept under the rug and ignored. Not sure how DH is just carrying on with her after that comment.
Sometimes people say things they don't mean and maybe they were just being dramatic and got carried away (they sound the type).

I would either revisit the conversation by arranging time to talk to chat about that comments in relation to childcare. "I'm struggling to get past this comment you made and we are wondering if you would rather we pay for after school childcare foe the children. We had hoped the time would bring you closer but after what you've said we're thinking maybe it's more of a burden than we anticipated' and hopefully they apologise.
Alternatively, I'd get DH to put on his big boy pants and talk to his mother directly.

Lorralorr · 18/02/2024 22:02

Sorry but I should think it’s quite normal for grandparents not to ‘love’ their grandchildren - be fond of them hopefully but at the end of the day they’re not their kids.

this woman sound super dramatic so for goodness sake don’t feed this weirdness by being dramatic back.

she obviously loves her own kids very much and has a lot of hurt about them leaving her to have families of their own - silly but you can see why that’s hard for people

your kids will still get a lot out of their relationship with her and for goodness sake better that than them having to ask ‘why don’t we see granny any more’ and get the response ‘because she said she didn’t love you so I carried on this family feud’ what kind of weird message is that and total waste of everyone’s time and energy too