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To think nothing I do will ever satisfy him?

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livinginthedark · 12/02/2024 19:50

I'll try and summarise everything the best I can so I'm not accused of drip feeding. Apologies this is long.

DH runs his own business mainly WFH, but goes to his office once a week. He makes very good money. At least triple what I make, but money is still tight after paying all our bills and expenses.

For the past 5 years I've worked 4 days a week, mainly from home (partially a legacy of covid). Two years ago I accepted a new role with the same company. I really enjoy the role and am excelling in it. While I often WFH my schedule can change frequently and at short notice, requiring me to be in the office or somewhere else for meetings anywhere from 1-3 days a week. And sometimes on my non working day, but if this happens I am given a day back in lieu. Occasionally travel is involved. 1-2 nights away every couple of months.

DH hates that I do not earn a higher salary. Often pointing out people he knows with less education or experience who make more than me (but in completely different industries). Nothing I can do about that!

I was diagnosed a few years ago with ADHD which had finally made me understand why I never excelled in any of my previous roles. It is also why I DO excel in my current role. I know now that I will never excel in the type of boring desk based work I did previously, no matter what the company or pay. My brain does not function the way it needs to for that type of role.

I have been putting in loads of work to be able to justify and secure a raise. Now that both children are in school I have also discussed the possibility of moving from 4 days a week to 5 days a week to bring in more income.

But..... I still don't see DH being content once I do.

The main issues are:

DH is frustrated I don't earn enough money and feels I am underpaid. This is valid, and I am negotiating a salary increase at the moment. If I continue at 4 days a week, my salary increase will not be massive, or bring me up to the higher salary range of the people he knows in different industries who are younger and have less experience. It might bring in a couple hundred £ extra a month

DH hates the fact that I need to work away from home a few days a week and travel occasionally which means all of the child care and duties sit with him. Even if I do WFH I'm usually tied up on calls during school pick up time, so he does that bit because he has the flexibility of being his own boss.

DH prefers to go to his office on a set day. He likes routine. My job is not very routine. There are also only 3 possible days he can go in. Sometimes this clashes with the days I'm out of the house.

If I move to 5 days a week I will obviously bring in more income, but this would also mean I may not be WFH for that day. In these instances, despite the increased income I know he still won't like the fact that I'm not at home to do school pick ups or prep dinner the odd time.

This afternoon I was made aware that I would need to be in the office 3 days next week. One of the days is when DH will be at his office. I let DH know this, and mentioned I may not be home in time to take one of the children to their after school activity, but I would be able to take the other once I got home. (I forgot to mention pick up for the youngest, but my plan was to put them in afterschool club).

DH did what he usually does and got angry with me, telling me how difficult I make his life and how much pressure I put him under in these situations because he's left to pick up my slack. He's always saying things like: you're killing me, you have no idea the pressure you put on me, you have no idea what I have to deal with, your job is ruining the family, no one else does as much as I do, you're never around, etc.

AIBU to think that no matter what I do, I'm never going to make him happy?

If I work 5 days I'm likely to be gone out of the house even more and that puts pressure on him and he still won't be satisfied with the extra income I bring in.

If I stick to 4 days I'm earning less and still needing to work in the office.

If I leave the company I'm with to get a new job entirely in a similar type role I know now is what I excel and do best in, it may result in a slightly higher salary, but I would almost certainly need to work 5 days, commute (longer and more expensive), travel more frequently, etc.

I feel like I can't win. Confused

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ChildofSunday · 15/02/2024 16:40

I think you should work out what you want. If you are happy in your current role, DO NOT leave because the idiot you are married to doesn’t understand you! Enjoying your work is so important! If you want to add an extra and pay for the additional childcare, do that, but don’t let his decision override yours. He may earn more, but that does not give him the right to dictate your working life, you are supposed to be on the same team, but it sounds as though you not even playing the same game.
I hope you find a solution that works, even if that does not include staying with him.

Haydenn · 15/02/2024 14:59

Just as another perspective, it is emotionally exhausting being the main wage earner when there is this much disparity. I earned 4 times what my ex did and it was always at the front of my mind that if he lost his job we wouldn’t even notice, but if I did then we’d be fucked.

I worked hard in a job that I didn’t really enjoy to pay for the house he wanted and the holidays he liked. He worked in a low paid job- because that was what his industry paid. He could have found a job paying more- but chose not to because “we didn’t need the money”. It is a draining way to live. We broke up and I continued living in the house for sometime and then sold it and moved somewhere a bit more “my speed”.

I’m still in the same job- but feel so much happier, knowing my outgoings are less tight and also not seeing a “partner” who whilst really happy in their role, does not want the same for me.

mrlistersgelfbride · 15/02/2024 14:54

I had to check I hadn't written this. Apart from the number of kids, I'm in an almost identical situation.

These men are cheeky fuckers aren't they?! Nothing is ever good enough. My partner expects me to earn a fantastic salary whilst at the same time being able to pick up DD every day and do all the life admin/house jobs.
He is a company owner and WFH and his hours are very flexible. I'm run ragged and he doesn't little. Yet he always complains I don't do enough.

I don't have much advice but solidarity.
Don't have any more kids with him and do what you can to make sure you keep your job.
It sounds like you are doing amazingly.
Fuck him.

Aquamarine1029 · 15/02/2024 14:49

He's always saying things like: you're killing me, you have no idea the pressure you put on me, you have no idea what I have to deal with, your job is ruining the family, no one else does as much as I do, you're never around, etc.

All of this would be a deal breaker for me. The poor, poor beleaguered man, what a horrendous life he has. 🙄

Fuck all of that.

Suchagroovyguy · 15/02/2024 14:07

You will never win. He likes using you as a whipping boy to vent whatever negative feelings he has.

Don’t engage with it, that’s what that poster meant.

Or…and this is my personal recommendation, leave the horrible shit of a man and live your own life free of his constant scorn.

tattygrl · 15/02/2024 12:24

OP.

You are doing FANTASTICALLY in your life. As a fellow ADHDer, I know the utter miracle it is to find a job in which you thrive and earn enough to live on, and the painstaking years of learning and fighting it takes to get there. Be PROUD of that. Don't forget what a huge achievement that is. Well done.

I think you know that your DH is abusive. You mention DARVO, and that you have the Why Does He Do That book. I mean... there's your answer my love. I'm sorry but his "demands" and standards aren't reasonable. He isn't treating you as an equal partner, who has a life, ambitions and needs of her own that need to be balanced with his in the relationship and household. I think you know what the answer is.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 15/02/2024 11:55

livinginthedark · 15/02/2024 11:10

Not quite sure what you mean

Remaining in a relationship with him and engaging in his mind games - ones where he will constantly change the rules - will destroy you. Which will be him winning, as that's the only thing that matters to him, for him to win and you to lose.

You earn well in a role that suits you, where you're happy and appreciated. He doesn't like that, as it means you're not the loser. So he wants you to stop being happy, appreciated and with enough income that you aren't dependent upon him. Because that means he's the winner, he's the best, you're just a loser.

The only way for you to win, to be happy, successful and appreciated is not to be involved in a relationship where the rules are always changed to ensure that you're the loser. There's nothing you can do about your job (or any job) that'll make it good enough for him, as he'll changes the rules of the game to make you lose, perhaps you're out of the house too much, you're not earning enough, you're earning too much, you're too cocky about your abilities when 'they're really laughing at you behind your back', you're not parenting properly because 'you're off out pretending you're being the big shot businesswoman when you're nothing but....', the only way to be a proper mother is to be at home with the kids but then you're just a lazy leech with nothing interesting to say, it's only because you're stupid and cheap to hire and they despise you really, you're not exercising enough, you're not dressing right, you're eating too much/not ladylike enough, you walk wrong, your feet are wrong, you're too old, etc, etc, etc.

There will always be something wrong with what you're doing, what you look like, what you are because that's how he wins his game.

Not playing the game means getting out.

samqueens · 15/02/2024 11:39

It’s possible you’ll read it and think “oh no, my H never does any of those things”, but I highly doubt it, as it’s clear from your posts that he does!

samqueens · 15/02/2024 11:38

@livinginthedark i can see why you might think that from a quick flip through, but it’s about the basic attitudes and the mindset that underlie abusive behavior of any kind - ie. that he is ENTITLED to rule and control you.

It is really insightful about the kinds of things that abusive men say and do to keep you on the back foot, and the ways living with them make you feel.

The relationship I was in was not physically abusive, but reading the book was like a lightbulb being turned on.

Don’t just flip, read… and then follow @Mitherations advice

AltheaVestr1t · 15/02/2024 11:18

The issue here is not your job. It's your DH.

Being a full time working parent is hard work. It requires both parents to make sacrifices. And unless one or both parents has a very fixed schedule, there needs to be a lot of juggling, with give and take on both sides. You seem to be doing your part. I assume when you were a SAP you fully supported your OH career and worked around it. Now he needs to do the same for you.

I'm so many families the woman ends up being the default parent and her career is seen as an inconvenience by her other half. Don't fall for this.

Mitherations · 15/02/2024 11:16

What does he want? Fuck that, what do you want?

If you've got a copy of Lundy Bancroft hidden in the wardrobe you know on some level that's something isn't right here.

Get it out, and read it. Then decide what you are and aren't willing to accept in terms of his behaviour and if you want to spend the rest of your life dancing about so he won't hate you.

rumred · 15/02/2024 11:15

So he thinks you are/should be a family slave? Sexist nonsense.
Why do you need more money? There's more to life than money and work.

livinginthedark · 15/02/2024 11:10

NeverDropYourMooncup · 15/02/2024 10:39

I can't win

The only way to win is not to play.

Not quite sure what you mean

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 15/02/2024 10:39

I can't win

The only way to win is not to play.

livinginthedark · 15/02/2024 10:23

And do I get that some people need more stability / predictability. But I'm not sure how else I can apply this in my role.

Most of the time I can't dictate my whereabouts as my role requires me to be in the office or elsewhere with clients. This is the element of my role that keeps my brain stimulated and on my toes. If it were purely a WFH / desk job I would flounder after a year or two. I say that with 15 years previous experience. Confused

It's looking like my best option in terms of maximising my salary is to go back to working 5 days a week which. Neither of us are happy with the salary increase I was given (less than 5% - national inflation was nearly 10%)

I mentioned going back full time and the salary that would go along with it. It wouldn't be loads. A few hundred extra a month after tax. He seemed ok with it at first because he said I 'waste my days off most of the time not doing anything' but when he asked if I would have to work away from home and I said yes, he got cranky again and wasn't happy with that.

Once again I explained that if I left my current company to work for another it would be full time, and not as flexible and I would most likely have to commute which would cost time and money. And I'd also still be required to do some travel or work offsite elsewhere with clients.

I can't win Confused

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livinginthedark · 15/02/2024 10:06

samqueens · 12/02/2024 22:03

You can’t win because he will never let you win, he doesn’t want you to win, he will actively work to ensure you don’t win. Even when you win (well done you for getting a job you enjoy and negotiating a raise and additional hours!) he will ensure that you don’t feel it is one.

You need to read the Lundy Bancroft book Why Does He Do That? (Download on kindle or apple book apps, read discretely).

It’s really insightful and I think it’s going to reasonate with you.

Do the extra hours/extra day, even if it means putting the youngest in after school club… that won’t be forever but you might not easily get another chance to progress your own career in a job you enjoy.

Edited

I actually have this book hidden away in my closet. I ordered it and had a quick flip through it to try and find a section that related to my situation, but struggled to do so. Most of it seemed like it was for physically abusive relationships or very blatant narcissistic relationships.

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livinginthedark · 15/02/2024 10:03

nutbrownhare15 · 12/02/2024 21:44

Can you tell him the way he speaks to you makes you feel worthless? Honestly it sounds like he treats you with contempt and I wouldn't want to stay in a marriage with a partner who got angry with me all the time rather than working as a team on a solution that works for the family. It sounds like you can't win because that's the points he doesn't want you to, he wants to keep berating you on whatever basis he can, not earning enough, not being round enough etc. I am wondering if he is or ever has been abusive in other ways. Entitlement and contempt are big red flags.

I have tried this. But he's a DARVO technique master, so always manage to flip it around back onto me.

He says that I'm the one who doesn't appreciate him, says how he does everything and no one care, and says I make HIM feel worthless

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Ponoka7 · 13/02/2024 09:18

I wouldn't increase my hours. I'd want a sit down talk. What were the agreements before you got pregnant? How did discussions about earnings go before children? Did your part time work mean a lot less in childcare bills etc etc? He needs to stop with blaming you, unless your children were contraception failures and you refused abortion, these were his decisions as well.

Grumpynan · 13/02/2024 09:16

I would tell him if it’s your job to run the family and home you could of course give up working 🤷🏼‍♀️.

my daughter years ago used the phase “ it is what it is “ it was the first time I had heard it and think it’s brilliant,

life is what it is, you learn to go with it or not, his choice

OtterlyMad · 13/02/2024 09:15

billyt · 13/02/2024 08:56

Actually, @livinginthedark wrote

'your job is ruining the family'

So unless OP mistyped he is saying her job is damaging the family.

He's still a twat, though.

Ah good point yes I must have read that too quickly.

Agree he’s still a twat.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 13/02/2024 09:12

I suspect it may be a combination of things

  1. he thrives on order and you thrive on chaos so he is always looking for a degree of certainty that won’t be there - this may need compromises from you both.
  2. This is more serious - he has made you his emotional stress ball. When he feels stressed, instead of finding constructive solutions, he finds reasons why it is your fault. Bad day at work - if only living was around more / did more / had a more predictable schedule I wouldn’t have this stress. Worried about the bills or his business - if only living earned more I wouldn’t have this stress. This is much more challenging to deal with and needs calling out.

I do think you need to recognise that he may need more predictability than you do and you may have to make some compromises. However, he doesn’t get to blame you for every stress he feels as that is demeaning, demoralising and unfair.

billyt · 13/02/2024 08:56

OtterlyMad · 12/02/2024 20:01

“your job is running the family”

Excuse me? You’re not a stay at home parent, so no, that isn’t your bloody job. Cheeky fucker. I would go on strike for all days except the one day you don’t work and tell him it’s so he can see what it’s like to do all those things every day, not just once in a while. THEN ask him if he still feels you “make his life difficult”.

Actually, @livinginthedark wrote

'your job is ruining the family'

So unless OP mistyped he is saying her job is damaging the family.

He's still a twat, though.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 13/02/2024 07:56

If you're on twenty five grand a year, he could have a point about not being valued/too much work for not enough money (although that would mean he's still bringing in over seventy five, so if money's tight with £100k a year, that's a problem with overspending, not your earnings). But if you're on more than that, you're earning fine - definitely enough to go it alone, have all control and not have him trying to stop you working in a role that suits you.

Couldyounot · 13/02/2024 07:48

So it's all down to you to make his life easier? Righto

Yougetmoreofwhatyoufocuson · 13/02/2024 07:39

Long term, his attitude is going to kill your marriage. You might want to tell him that.
Solutions are things like marriage counselling . You would have to monitor that carefully because it’s not recommended for abusers. He either needs to pull his socks up sharply when he realises he’s got into a nasty habit, or you realise that he’s showing you his true colours and you’re going to be making different choices.
Congratulations on your job.

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