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Porn should be illegal

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Beatrixemerald · 11/02/2024 19:39

I know lots of people enjoy it harmless blah blah but I just read about four boys aged 12-14 being arrested for rape and it’s made me think about the damage porn is doing to young people. They may not have been exposed to porn but I suspect that’s highly unlikely.
My understanding is that violent porn/strangulation etc has become the norm and I think teens are getting a totally distorted view of sex/consent.
Ultimately on balance I can’t see any place for it in society and I consider myself pretty liberal minded ie what consenting adults want to do is totally fine but that porn is distorting and normalising things that naturally people wouldn’t choose to do. AIBU?

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Deadringer · 17/02/2024 18:31

I believe that porn is very damaging to developing brains but i dont think it would be possible to completely ban it. I think that porn sites should require a credit card for viewing, not necessarily a payment but a card. I am not sure what can be done about all the amateur stuff floating around but where there is a will there is a way.

bythebanksof · 17/02/2024 18:24

I've worked in the legal area for 30+ years, and the last two decades most frequently on assault cases. I add that to give some context to my reply.

Firstly, I don't think porn will be effectively restricted or blocked, unless there are massive social or technological changes, that I don't see on the horizon (maybe someone else does?). Some of the most popular TV shows include material that would have been classified as pornography until very recent times. The content is very mainstream viewing for some, and extremely objectionable for others.

Having said that most people that I know working in the area for a long time believe it has a very significant impact on sex offenses. Not the number of offenses, but the nature of many attacks has changed. If you look at cases from decades ago, you'll see that most (but not all) cases details for r*pe was what would be considered "traditional". Today you'll see many cases in which the victim has been violated in multiple ways (vaginal, anal, oral). This is clearly the influence of pornography. You'll also see this in several most recent survivor memoirs too. What is an unimaginably traumatic experience for victims, is made even worse.

crumblingschools · 12/02/2024 21:11

There should be so much more regulation, so not so easily accessible, more control over content and ensuring all participants are consenting and not trafficked.

We also need so much more work on reducing misogyny and get rid of the acceptance that all men watch/or should watch porn. Similar to the acceptance that strip clubs will always feature in a stag do. They don’t have to. However, most of this has to come from men for there to be any impact

PaperDoIIs · 12/02/2024 21:04

So tighten up the verification process for it.

This is exactly what I'm advocating for.

Vettrianofan · 12/02/2024 21:04

Cocacolacarrie · 12/02/2024 20:56

7 year old generally don't just look up gay pornthough, do they? That is more poor parenting and supervision by giving a 7YO unlimited access to the internet that has probably already got gay porn open on it.

Bleach is dangerous if left in the reach of an unsupervised 7YO. No one is calling for it to be banned.

It's absolutely disgusting for a 7yo to be able to view this. What child should be looking at any pron is the issue, especially at such a young age. Horrible.

MartinsSpareCalculator · 12/02/2024 21:04

PaperDoIIs · 12/02/2024 20:22

@MartinsSpareCalculator what about the kids who's parents can't or won't do all that? Just let them be collateral damage, and by extension their peers?

Why isn't it just the parents' responsibility to ensure their kids don't buy alcohol,or fags or sharp objects?

Consumption of porn for under 18s is already illegal. So tighten up the verification process for it. Doesn't mean it has to be illegal, as per your examples of things which are perfectly legal for adults but not children.

But yes, parents absolutely should take more responsibility for their children possessing sharp objects or consuming alcohol and/or tobacco.

Cocacolacarrie · 12/02/2024 20:56

Vettrianofan · 11/02/2024 20:13

One of my DC was sexually assaulted by a 7yo who watched gay porn. Definitely shouldn't be so accessible for children. This was a decade ago.

7 year old generally don't just look up gay pornthough, do they? That is more poor parenting and supervision by giving a 7YO unlimited access to the internet that has probably already got gay porn open on it.

Bleach is dangerous if left in the reach of an unsupervised 7YO. No one is calling for it to be banned.

localnotail · 12/02/2024 20:48

PaperDoIIs · 12/02/2024 18:01

@localnotail you keep telling yourself that. As a victim of such boys(that I knew since I was 7 and grew up with), I know better .

I'm really sorry for your experience but you have no idea about me or my life. Believe it or not, other people experience negative things, too.

LlynTegid · 12/02/2024 20:36

You may not be able to get rid of it, but at least you can make it more difficult to access.

PaperDoIIs · 12/02/2024 20:22

@MartinsSpareCalculator what about the kids who's parents can't or won't do all that? Just let them be collateral damage, and by extension their peers?

Why isn't it just the parents' responsibility to ensure their kids don't buy alcohol,or fags or sharp objects?

HateItWhenABitchLetsHimselfSlide · 12/02/2024 19:57

MartinsSpareCalculator · 12/02/2024 19:47

Most network providers automatically block adult material until you provide verification of age and opt in to being able to view it.

There are also a myriad of mechanisms to block apps, software, Internet etc on children's phones. It's upto you as a parent to use them.

All it takes is a VPN.

MartinsSpareCalculator · 12/02/2024 19:47

HateItWhenABitchLetsHimselfSlide · 11/02/2024 21:13

So blocking the porn at home but kids accessing it on their phones when not at home is ok?

Most network providers automatically block adult material until you provide verification of age and opt in to being able to view it.

There are also a myriad of mechanisms to block apps, software, Internet etc on children's phones. It's upto you as a parent to use them.

Speckledpasta · 12/02/2024 18:29

YABU. Their parents should have taught them not to be rapists.

If anything porn is a symptom of our misogynistic patriarchy and banning it would, therefore, make no difference

PaperDoIIs · 12/02/2024 18:25

the access is what needs controlling not the watching by people old enough to make a choice

That is the way to do it, if there is a will for it.

Hijinks75 · 12/02/2024 18:14

Porns been available for many years, the difference today is the ease of access, once over getting hold of porn involved buying a magazine or hiring/ buying a video and having to prove your age to do it, or borrowing from someone , I’m open about watching porn, I’ve done it since being a teen, with the borrowed magazines and then the videos once old enough, I can genuinely say it has never made me want to rape someone but it’s just too easy now and the content is definitely different, the access is what needs controlling not the watching by people old enough to make a choice

wellhello24 · 12/02/2024 18:07

I wish it was made illegal. Grubby sleazy industry I just wish it would go away

wellhello24 · 12/02/2024 18:06

MartinsSpareCalculator · 11/02/2024 21:00

And you don't think that other parents actually parenting properly would help that situation?

You can block adult sites on your home WiFi. Most network operators require verification to access adult sites now, meaning ID or a credit card. But there will always be porn somewhere- Twitter, reddit, Snapchat etc.

It's upto you as a parent to monitor it properly.

Kids are doing it without their parents around ie hanging around at parks etc- Iv witnessed this. Parents cannot stop them.

rainydaysandwednesdays · 12/02/2024 18:06

It's a grubby industry as it is, it would get even grubbier if made illegal.

More internet controls for kids. I'd even back smart phone use illegal for kids. Give them all dumb phones and watch them wake up from their zombie state.

PaperDoIIs · 12/02/2024 18:01

@localnotail you keep telling yourself that. As a victim of such boys(that I knew since I was 7 and grew up with), I know better .

PaperDoIIs · 12/02/2024 18:00

thedankness · 12/02/2024 09:45

If our behaviours aren't affected by images, why is advertising such a huge industry? Companies wouldn't spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on advertising if it wasn't effective. And porn isn't an advert, it's not a fictional representation of sex like in a film, it's footage of real sex acts between real people. Of course it influences sexual behaviour. How many 60 year old women today were pressured for anal or strangled during sex when they were in their early twenties? Because this is a common experience for young women today. Porn encourages male entitlement to sex and normalises violent and abusive sex. These are key factors in rape.

The truth is, people don't wanna know(mostly because they don't want to look at their own habits,or the people around them and this stuff happens to other people), or god forbid get inconvenienced during their daily wank. Children's and women's safety comes way way below that.

thedankness · 12/02/2024 09:45

If our behaviours aren't affected by images, why is advertising such a huge industry? Companies wouldn't spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on advertising if it wasn't effective. And porn isn't an advert, it's not a fictional representation of sex like in a film, it's footage of real sex acts between real people. Of course it influences sexual behaviour. How many 60 year old women today were pressured for anal or strangled during sex when they were in their early twenties? Because this is a common experience for young women today. Porn encourages male entitlement to sex and normalises violent and abusive sex. These are key factors in rape.

localnotail · 11/02/2024 22:43

PaperDoIIs · 11/02/2024 22:36

Yes because "nice" boys with good education,upbringing and stable home lives never rape anyone. Right.

Well if they rape someone they aren't nice, are they? There is always something. Wealth, education and "stability" would never compensate for shit parenting and lack of interest in your kid life. Lets not put words in my mouth, ok?

cordeliachaseatemyhandbag · 11/02/2024 22:36

Of course we could make all porn illegal.

Child & 'extreme' porn already are so it all should be.

It harms all of society.

PaperDoIIs · 11/02/2024 22:36

localnotail · 11/02/2024 22:32

What, a couple of completely normal, intelligent and nice boys watched porn and suddenly decided to go and rape someone? Yeah, right. That's exactly how it happened. Stop blaming internet/ computer games/ phones/ whatever for shit parenting, feral upbringing and absence of morals.

Yes because "nice" boys with good education,upbringing and stable home lives never rape anyone. Right.

localnotail · 11/02/2024 22:32

What, a couple of completely normal, intelligent and nice boys watched porn and suddenly decided to go and rape someone? Yeah, right. That's exactly how it happened. Stop blaming internet/ computer games/ phones/ whatever for shit parenting, feral upbringing and absence of morals.