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Husband thinks my friends are his

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WiggyClawsThe2nd · 08/02/2024 14:11

Couldn't work out what title to put on this as really bizarre question. Was having a disagreement with my husband and went off to chat to my friend on the phone. He wanted to know why, so I said I wanted some feedback and advice from her. He really didn't like this and said that he would do the same, with MY best friend. I pointed out that that wasn't appropriate as she is my friend not his. He thinks he should be able to talk to my friend and tell her all the things he dislikes about me as that's "fair". To be honest, if he did call her she'd tell him to p**s off. He has no friends of his own as he just doesn't make the effort to maintain and cherish friendships. Am I being unreasonable to think that he has no right to assume that my friends are his? And that he is bang out of order to think that they would be at all interested in him lagging me off to them? For context most of my friendships span decades and he has no day to day contact with any of them.

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Nanaof1 · 08/02/2024 17:41

Thesquaddogs · 08/02/2024 17:34

Tell him not to ring your friends to moan about you but to phone his mother for advice. I suspect you might find that disloyal

Oh, I think he should call his mummy and tell her he is coming back home where his mummy, who raised this "prince" of a man loser, can pay his bills while he does his business "hobby". LOL!
He certainly isn't man enough to be a husband or a father.

Nanaof1 · 08/02/2024 17:38

BombaySamphire · 08/02/2024 15:49

Unless op had pre warned her, she wouldn’t know what he was calling about?
She doesn’t exist to “support” either of them…

It DOESN'T MATTER
because she is NOT his friend.

Just stop, because you make zero sense, unless you are the lazy, do-nothing, controlling, gaslighting asshole who has come to MN so you can beat down your wife some more. You sure sound like it's possible.

Thesquaddogs · 08/02/2024 17:34

Tell him not to ring your friends to moan about you but to phone his mother for advice. I suspect you might find that disloyal

Nanaof1 · 08/02/2024 17:31

BombaySamphire · 08/02/2024 15:34

That is just odd of your friend.

No, that is wise and intelligent of her friend.

Why should she bother to listen to a lazy, do-nothing, controlling, gaslighting asshole?

I find it odd that you seem to be supporting the husband. Hhhmmm...wonder why?

Prizefighter · 08/02/2024 17:18

OP, you NEED to phone your friends in arguments like this - they will help you stay real and grounded.

But urgh you need to kick this sponger out. Why pay for him?

NewFriendlyLadybird · 08/02/2024 17:17

WiggyClawsThe2nd · 08/02/2024 14:32

That's the point. He does carve out time. Pretty much all day every day. If I want to do any admin I have to do it late at night.
So do you not talk over the end of a relationship with your friends?

Neither DH nor I talk about our relationship with anyone. I wouldn’t dream of talking about an argument we’ve had and certainly wouldn’t phone a friend for backup. Least of all right in the middle of the argument!

Nanaof1 · 08/02/2024 17:13

WiggyClawsThe2nd · 08/02/2024 14:22

I can see what you mean, but he was trying to convince me that I was being a cow for asking for an hour to do some work on my profitable business when he is always buggering off to "work" on his "business", which basically involves him posting on Facebook. I've been supportive of his work, but 4 years after starting it it's not bringing in a penny and I'm fed up. He basically told me that most people would think I was being unreasonable for asking for a free hour away from childcare to work. And then when I picked up my phone and went to leave the room he wanted to know exactly what I was doing, I wouldn't have mentioned that I wanted some objective feedback otherwise.

If he isn't bringing in any money, does that mean he is living off you? He goes off to do his "business", which brings in no money, leaving you to also work and take care of the house and children?
I think, if he hasn't brought in money in four years, it isn't ever going to bring in money and he needs to go get a job with a paycheck.
If he isn't being the primary care-giver to the children and taking care of most of the housework etc., doesn't that make him a cocklodger?

hungryhiphop · 08/02/2024 16:55

It's strange to see friends as if they are things you own.

If your friends aren't his friends, then when he calls them they just won't answer or will have a very brief/ polite conversation and then end the call.

It's not something I would be worried about.

Tbh it's a bit strange that either of you are getting friends involved when you are in the middle of disagreements/ arguments between the two of you.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 08/02/2024 16:54

That sounds like a very difficult situation for you OP,
But what you wanted to achieve was
"an hour to do some work on my profitable business"
You didn't get it because the waters were muddied with all kinds of other things.
Of course he should just have said, Of course you can have an hour..
Instead he started arguing that it was unreasonable and the discussion then became about whether you were unreasonable or not.

You were side tracked. Is that something that happens a lot.
Its easy to say, hard to do but you need to stick to your objective
DH : OP you are sooo unreasonable
OP: That may be but can you look after the DC for an hour.
DH: I suppose you will ring your friend and slag me off.
OP: Can you look after the DC for an hour.

Asking for 1 hour's care of the DC is not unreasonable. You know that. You don't have to justify that to anyone. You just have to keep repeating the request (politely) and if met with resistance you pursue them politely wanting to know why they cannot do it.

Throwing in my "profitable" business... is sidetracking yourself and bound to rile the other party. It may be satisfying to make that point but it leads you both away from what you wanted - which was an hour.
Going off to phone a friend - makes no difference at all. Just prolongs the argument whilst he waits around getting more annoyed before you come back

OP Well.. my friend says Im right
DH - Your friend is wrong too and I'm going to phone one of your friends now.
Which starts the argument onto a completely different tit-for-tat track and you STILL don't get what you want.

But overall it sounds like the real problem is that he's spent 4 years on a business that is not yet profitable, whilst you support the family financially and you want more support yourself. That sounds really hard. I think that some kind of counseling even you just go yourself so that you can get some RL advice on how to deal with this.

pickledandpuzzled · 08/02/2024 16:45

Well done OP. You are pushing back against his attempts to control you and control the narrative.

I would suggest though that you get better at grey rock. Try not to need him for anything, try not to ask him for anything. Avoid conflict as far as you are able without complying with his every whim.

Someone who doesn’t accept your right to autonomy, friends, time, an existence outside of what he graciously allows, is best avoided as far as possible.

line up those ducks, but gently does it in case he gets nasty.

Summerstarsarepink · 08/02/2024 16:40

Hugs op.
I feel so sad for your feeling so controlled. I can relate slightly .
I hope you escape xx

ScottBakula · 08/02/2024 16:40

Farwell · 08/02/2024 14:22

Don't involve your friends in the middle of a disagreement.

I agree, in the past I have had friends trying to get me involved in arguments,

If I agree with friend , I am right his is a pig / looser/ tight etc.
If I disagree I am wrong , what do I know , why side with him do I fancy him .

Either way I come away from the conversation feeling used.

Nanny0gg · 08/02/2024 16:33

WiggyClawsThe2nd · 08/02/2024 14:34

Ok all you lovely mumnetters.
I was under the mistaken impression that I could lean on my friends for support. Seems I am very much mistaken.
Thank you all for the clarification!

I think most people do,

They just don't make announcements about it!

Nanny0gg · 08/02/2024 16:32

WiggyClawsThe2nd · 08/02/2024 14:30

Do other people's Partners have to give a blow by blow account of every single conversation they have with their mates? Because I don't think that's right, and I'm getting fed up with the 20 questions about who I've spoken to, what I've said, what they've said etc etc

God no!

Has he always been this insecure?

There seems to be a lot going on here

Isittimeformynapyet · 08/02/2024 16:24

BombaySamphire · 08/02/2024 15:49

Unless op had pre warned her, she wouldn’t know what he was calling about?
She doesn’t exist to “support” either of them…

@Naunet said "she’s not a service bot." so in saying "She doesn’t exist to “support” either of them…" you are just agreeing with her.

And yes, friend would know why he was calling because OP had spoken to her. It was clearly stated - you haven't cleverly deduced that. It's irrelevant anyway.

My friends and I support each other - would you extrapolate that we all "exist" to do so?

You silly poster. You just want to have an argument

Iwasafool · 08/02/2024 16:17

Maybe ask her if he's a friend of hers, after all it isn't your decision to make is it. My husband has friends from before I knew him, some of them are now friends of mine.

Braksonsboss · 08/02/2024 16:12

Call time on this relationship as you clearly don’t like each other

Naunet · 08/02/2024 16:05

BombaySamphire · 08/02/2024 15:49

Unless op had pre warned her, she wouldn’t know what he was calling about?
She doesn’t exist to “support” either of them…

No she doesn’t, SHE gets to pick who she supports and if she wants to support her friend, but not the abusive arsehole making her friends life difficult, that is perfectly rational. Weird that you think it isn’t, frankly.

Ktime · 08/02/2024 15:56

WiggyClawsThe2nd · 08/02/2024 14:22

I can see what you mean, but he was trying to convince me that I was being a cow for asking for an hour to do some work on my profitable business when he is always buggering off to "work" on his "business", which basically involves him posting on Facebook. I've been supportive of his work, but 4 years after starting it it's not bringing in a penny and I'm fed up. He basically told me that most people would think I was being unreasonable for asking for a free hour away from childcare to work. And then when I picked up my phone and went to leave the room he wanted to know exactly what I was doing, I wouldn't have mentioned that I wanted some objective feedback otherwise.

Is this the same guy who bought a £250 laptop and lied it said it was £100?

Muchof · 08/02/2024 15:52

WiggyClawsThe2nd · 08/02/2024 14:22

I can see what you mean, but he was trying to convince me that I was being a cow for asking for an hour to do some work on my profitable business when he is always buggering off to "work" on his "business", which basically involves him posting on Facebook. I've been supportive of his work, but 4 years after starting it it's not bringing in a penny and I'm fed up. He basically told me that most people would think I was being unreasonable for asking for a free hour away from childcare to work. And then when I picked up my phone and went to leave the room he wanted to know exactly what I was doing, I wouldn't have mentioned that I wanted some objective feedback otherwise.

What your argument was about was t the point of your thread.

I think it was pretty shitty to tell him that you wanted to involve your friend in your disagreement with him.

DreadPirateRobots · 08/02/2024 15:50

The context that people didn't have in your opening post is that he is an abusive, controlling gaslighter and you're calling your friend for a sanity check because he's beaten you down. People are responding under the assumption you are in a generally non-abusive marriage and you've deliberately played the card of going to complain about him to your friend in the middle of a routine marital spat. The latter would be read by most people as inappropriate, dramatic and passive-aggressive, and many people are responding based on that initial read of the scenario.

BombaySamphire · 08/02/2024 15:49

Naunet · 08/02/2024 15:46

It’s not remotely odd, she doesn’t owe him support, she’s not a service bot.

Unless op had pre warned her, she wouldn’t know what he was calling about?
She doesn’t exist to “support” either of them…

Naunet · 08/02/2024 15:46

BombaySamphire · 08/02/2024 15:34

That is just odd of your friend.

It’s not remotely odd, she doesn’t owe him support, she’s not a service bot.

Naunet · 08/02/2024 15:44

Am I getting this right, he brings in fuck all money, but won’t do any parenting so that you can work on your business that does bring money in? He sounds abusive so I think you’re absolutely right to check in with a friend if it helps keep you grounded. Long term though, you need to leave this prick.

Pickles2023 · 08/02/2024 15:39

Well he can call your best friend for years to slag you off...but he will be digging his own grave 😂😂😂

What does he think they will say haha idiot..