To hate it being called pancake tuesday

I sm from Liverpool and we called it Pancake Tuesday. As a C of E mrmber it is Shrove Tuesday followed by Ash Wednesday and Lent. But as our religious faith seems to be less important in todays world i guess we have to accept many people do not even know the religious significance of these days.

Happy Pancake Day Eve 🥞

OK I'll see if I can get some puffin.

https://eu.theadvertiser.com/story/news/2022/03/02/food-you-can-eat-fridays-lent-beaver-alligator-armadillo-more/9341078002/#:~:text=Lent%20is%20a%2040%2Dday,meat%20and%20poultry%20on%20Fridays.

On the subject of eating fish on a Friday, I think duck is permitted too.

No, duck and other birds are off the menu. Stick to your hippo and alligator!

Oh yes, but only until you got married.

On the subject of eating fish on a Friday, I think duck is permitted too.

Oh the day the kitchen staff cooked meat on a day of fasting and abstinence. Sr Mary Joseph had to phone the bishop to get some sort of dispensation to allow us to eat our school dinners.

<wonders if the chip shop does battered hippo>

<wonders if it will be filleted>

Same here - every year we say "We should have them every week! And we all agree that this would be brilliant.

And then we don't have them again for a year . . .

We call it Shrove Tuesday and love the pancakes so much that we ask why we don't have Pancake Day every week. So why don't we? That is a bigger mystery.

Actually, otters are OK too, just maybe not as tasty or common? Other things classified as not meat include amphibians and other semi-aquatic mammals (hippos, if you're brave enough to try to hunt one!). Some of these became more relevant with the christianisation of the Americas.

Also, no meat Fridays haven't been abrogated, although it would be interesting to chart how fishing-related industries have fared in big Catholic countries compared to other countries in the past 60 years. The Vatican made a concession that, subject to local regulations, you could substitute the Friday abstinence for a different penance (e.g. visiting the sick, extra prayers ...), but the no meat option was still the default. It was intended to help people who really had nothing else to eat and where total fasting wouldn't be medically advisable. But they soon found that people interpreted the 'penance of your choice' option as 'don't bother anymore', so the abstinence from meat has been promoted again in some places. In England and Wales (which are a united Catholic jurisdiction, separate from Scotland and Ireland), abstinence from meat has been reintroduced as the universal rule since 2011, to be substituted by another food for those who already don't eat meat.

Aoine, the Irish word for Friday, means 'fasting'. But in Ireland the bishops' conference haven't reinstated obligatory no-meat Fridays, they've just gently hinted that it might be a nice idea on Fridays in Lent. 😁

I've taken to the bed 😂 it has brought up strong memories though, the silver pots we with metallic green lids we had that my parents had gotten as wedding presents (that were virtually indestructible!). The way smell of the fish managing to permeate every nook and cranny of the house. The fights amongst the siblings about who would get stuck with the washing rather than the cake walk that was drying the dishes....

@Chickenkeev - sorry. Hope I haven't traumatised you too much by bringing up (🤮literally) the fish in milk

Oh god, fish boiled in milk brings back memories 🤢 the culprit was my father, who conveniently absented himself when it came it having to excavating the remnants from the bottom of the pot!

I really want a pancake now.

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No idea why not Otters but there may be some truth in what @Fink said re rearing young in the holt
No need for fishmongers since anyone was permitted to fish for their dinner in rivers and streams hence it’s reputation as a paupers food

If beavers are kosher - so to speak- why not otters? I bet fishmongers were well naused off when the Vatican said ' hey lads that no meat on Fridays is a bit dated, so it's not a mortal sin now'

Interesting re: beavers - I didn't know that. Thank you.

Of possibly convenience/ self-interest.

For purposes of Lent (and Fridays), I believe that the Catholic Church used to classify rabbit as a fish.

@HowdidImanagetohavetwoaccountaandthenloseboth

Even when I used to eat meat, I was never the biggest fan of fish. It might have had something to do with the penance my mother served up every Friday - fish boiled in milk🤮

Poor beavers though.

I think it basically boils down to what scientific knowledge you could gather several hundred years ago without modern instruments and an entirely different outlook on how the world works. The less like a mammal a lifeform is, the less it was understood.

With the beavers, in fairness to my medieval forebears, there's the complication that their birthing and early life takes place within the lodge, so it's not observable by humans without cameras and so on, i.e. you can't necessarily tell that they're mammals just by looking at them. It's not unreasonable to have hypothesised that they might be some kind of creature in between a mammal and a fish.

Your mother's in good company, I've seen that attitude before. Nowadays more people debate what you should do on Fridays if you're already vegetarian.

Convenience I suspect too. Here in. Britain in the medieval monasteries, only the abbot was permitted meat - all year round . The lower monks were permitted to eat fish ( lowly food not as posh as meat ) But they were allowed to eat Beaver ! Because beaver swim and have a flat tail like a fish therefore must be fish ! ( science not a strong point amongst theologians )
it’s why the beaver population in Britain was decimated and had only been re introduced here about a decade ago. It’s also why we eat fish on Friday . Personally I love fish and would eat it every day of the week.
Once attending a barbecue on Good Friday my very Catholic mother insisted on eating fish as a a penance . She had salmon , the others had cheap sausages!

Interesting. So caviar would be treated the same as eggs then as it has the potential to grow in to something with blood.

I wonder why non-fish seafood didn't count. Some of them have blood. Maybe because the blood generally isn't red so they may not have realised it was blood.

The pan isn’t hot enough

The original idea was to avoid blood and things associated with it (so basically veganism). Olive oil and wine were kept in containers made from animal skins, which is why they're included.

For historic reasons, non-fish seafood doesn't count as having blood.