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ComeAlongPeggy · 07/02/2024 11:09

I am supporting a local parent who claims UC. I have tried to answer her questions via the CAB and online and have drawn a blank so I’m asking here in case lots of you know the answer (they can’t be uncommon questions!).

She gets £1400 pm UC. She can work, but not ft because she is also a ft carer. But in month when she has worked and earned c£300, she has received the same amount of UC but has also been contacted by her local council for council tax payments (she previously had 100% of her council tax covered).

What she would like to know is how much she can earn each month without UC being reduced and without her council tax benefit being reduced.

To be absolutely clear, she’s not lazy and she works (unpaid) harder than I do in my 40 hour a week job. But every penny counts and because some weeks she can work more hours than others, her income is very “lumpy” (this is dependent on her caring responsibilities - eg during school holidays she can’t work at all, her child would not be able to access holiday clubs etc and a babysitter would cost as much as she would earn). Any paid work she does is very much like someone with a ft demanding job taking on an extra evening/weekend job so it really has to be worth her while financially as it puts her under quite significant physical and emotional strain to do any paid work at all. She would love nothing more than to be working ft and not claim UC but this won’t be possible for a few years at least.

If you’ve read this far, thank you! Any help to navigate this would be amazing. I have tried to speak to UC but they don’t seem to have clear cut off’s as to how much you can earn etc.

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ComeAlongPeggy · 07/02/2024 12:31

@Lougle thank you so much. I think spending a bit of time on entitled to might be the best bet!

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ComeAlongPeggy · 07/02/2024 12:30

@TheHateIsNotGood ah…. She gets carers allowance and her child hers higher rate DLA

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ComeAlongPeggy · 07/02/2024 12:29

@Rosieposy89 thank you - this is exactly what I needed to understand!

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ComeAlongPeggy · 07/02/2024 12:28

@Despair132 the unpaid work is her unpaid work as a mother and carer to her child. Not work for anyone outside her immediate family.

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Lougle · 07/02/2024 12:23

In my area, income is assessed in bands, so there can be a cliff-edge drop in council tax reduction if 25% if income increases by just one penny from one band to another.

SearchingForSolitude · 07/02/2024 12:18

Despair132 · 07/02/2024 12:01

Yup And when you go to your next assessment they will use the fact you are able to work part time against you. It happened to me my claim was removed. You have to be be careful not to do a job that contradicts in anyway what your claim says. If for example you are off with anxiety and you get a job in supermarket they will say as the position you held showed your anxiety doesn’t have a profound effect on your wellbeing you are able to work full time. It’s sneaky but it’s what they do

Your posts are irrelevant to the OP. The person in the OP does not have LCW/LCWRA. They are a carer, therefore will not have any work commitments and will not be reassessed as long as she remains a carer for someone in receipt of one of the relevant benefits. Completely different situation.

Lougle · 07/02/2024 12:14

@ComeAlongPeggy if you want to PM me her location, I can work it out for you. Without her location it's impossible to say. You could use EntitledTo, as an alternative, and plug numbers in trial and error fashion.

TheHateIsNotGood · 07/02/2024 12:09

If you are a f/t Carer and receive Carers Allowance, Carers Allowance is deducted £ for £ from UC, leaving a much smaller WA for 'tapered' earnings.

TheHateIsNotGood · 07/02/2024 12:03

Each Local Council is different - in mine everyone of working age has 25% of their Council Tax Support removed so pay something even those on benefits. The only exception is pensioners receiving Pension Credit.

This year they have decided that if you receive UC and any earnings above £O, even £1, you will have 40% of any CTS removed. They have also decided not to show their calculations when the 40% rate kicks in.

The Council needed to bring in Consultants to come up with this system, having read the Consultant's Report they could have just come up with this themselves. Either way it's pretty shocking.

Despair132 · 07/02/2024 12:01

Rosieposy89 · 07/02/2024 11:56

If she has children she'll have a work allowance. The WA is £379 pm if you get housing element and £631 if no housing element. You can earn the equivalent of the working allowance without UC being affected. Council Tax Reduction rules are separate to UC. Everyone is better off if they work on UC due to the 55% taper.

Yup And when you go to your next assessment they will use the fact you are able to work part time against you. It happened to me my claim was removed. You have to be be careful not to do a job that contradicts in anyway what your claim says. If for example you are off with anxiety and you get a job in supermarket they will say as the position you held showed your anxiety doesn’t have a profound effect on your wellbeing you are able to work full time. It’s sneaky but it’s what they do

LonginesPrime · 07/02/2024 12:00

Despair132 · 07/02/2024 11:54

I’d be careful if Uc get wind of the unpaid work they will use it against you. The only reason they have a work allowance on universal credit is so they can use it against you on the next assessment.

By "unpaid work", I assumed OP meant the person is an unpaid carer, not that they go out and do unpaid voluntary work that someone else might be paid for.

Rosieposy89 · 07/02/2024 11:56

If she has children she'll have a work allowance. The WA is £379 pm if you get housing element and £631 if no housing element. You can earn the equivalent of the working allowance without UC being affected. Council Tax Reduction rules are separate to UC. Everyone is better off if they work on UC due to the 55% taper.

Despair132 · 07/02/2024 11:54

I’d be careful if Uc get wind of the unpaid work they will use it against you. The only reason they have a work allowance on universal credit is so they can use it against you on the next assessment.

ComeAlongPeggy · 07/02/2024 11:44

Thank you @starlight889 she migrated from tax credits and says the rules were much easier with that system

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starlight889 · 07/02/2024 11:32

There’s no specific amount which will reduce her income or council tax benefit. It’s different for everyone and their individual circumstances.

Im not 100% confident in working it out or I would offer! There is a great group on FB called “Universal Credit and Legacy Benefit Advice” (picture is of a road type sign). The admins and moderators are really great and helpful. I’m sure they’d be more than happy to help you out!