Falling population

And realistically how many homeless people are able to afford to buy or even rent one of these new homes?

Homelessness is is a complex issue that isn't solved by building more houses indefinitely.

There are enough homes, just some people are greedy & want more than one.

So tired of 'priviledge' being used in every argument.

It's not about moaning that more houses will spoil our view, we need at least some food security in the face of climate change & economic instability.

It's because the housing is so expensive and the wages low, makes it very difficult for the people who live here

They are not high priority for social housing

Absolutely spot on.

Ive read the world population will increase to a peak somewhere around 2050 ish and then could be only 6 billion in 2100. I certain countries will see quite a sharp decline (think i read italy).
https://www.livescience.com/worlds-population-could-plummet-to-six-billion-by-the-end-of-the-century-new-study-suggests

The uk will probably just import any labour shortage due to low birth rate, so we won’t notice the effects as such.

But fertility is declining world wide so Gilead will be here before we know it 😬

The only demographic having enough children are immigrant families.

This, and this alone is what keeps the 'How many of your grandparents were British' cohort awake at night.

The problem, it seems, is that globally Europeans generally have a falling birth rate and an ageing population. Everyone else, even if they have the latter, are going at it gung-ho, thus avoiding the former.

Again, sleepless nights about.

The real issue is the ageing demographic. We are living far too long, and not having enough children. This means there won’t be enough young workers paying taxes to pay for the old people’s pensions and care costs. Plus there won’t be enough people to do those caring roles (there aren’t enough now, and much of our immigration has been around importing health and social care workers, but the gov wants to stop that.)

The only demographic having enough children are immigrant families.

Less than 10% of UK land is built on, so all the “we’re full” stuff is bollocks.

I don’t know what the answer is, but it definitely won’t come in the form of another Tory government.

We keep people alive well beyond their 'shelf-life' dates and it's way too expensive for most young, fertile people to sensibly have kids.

It's a terrible circumstance for many, many people; currently I've no skin in this game, actually I'm very thankful that I don't.

We never get the chance to experience this though or find out if this is true though because the immigration is never ending

What this thread highlights, and it's really a remarkable thing if you think about it is that the government and segments of media have so successfully convinced joe public that the reason why the country is falling apart is because of 'immigrants'. The brilliant thing about this is that the gov gets to continue shafting joe public while lining its own pockets yet will never feel the heat from said joe public because 'immigrants'. I hope one day when the promised land is delivered and the country is void of 'immigrants' that joe public gets to see all its public services still going to shit and no-one left to blame. Perhaps it'll be people with a parent who derives from the European Union. Perhaps it'll be people who once spent a Summer in Australia, who knows.

Sorry I could 5 minutes ago - now I can't.

Though to be fair to ONS they are planning a new model and predications using updated mortality and fertility rate by end of the 2024.

We need houses more than green fields. You are privileged to want a view over people being homeless.

Nimby springs to mind.

Look, I have done my bit - I have four of the wee feckers. Not having any more!

What the hell are you on about the population is increasing but your right that the native birth rate is decreasing. The native birth rate is currently about 1.4 per adult, a society requires 2.2 to maintain population. So you ask how is the population increasing when the birth rates of native population is so low? Excellent question the answer is ofc migration. The population in uk will increase by about 10% again in the next year as per headlines all of week across major media outlets. I mean it’s obvious can’t you see this in your community this is pretty self explanatory.

And the government likes immigration despite what nonsense they spout.

Uk Population is has been growing for the last decade roughly at 1%, the biggest driver has been immigration.

@RhubarbGingerJam can't read the article but agree that the forecasts are wrong.

Birth rates are falling and we have a housing crisis - not mutually exclusive things. People are living longer but also, linked to that, more people than ever before are living in single person households.

https://www.ft.com/content/bfa1e01e-7d55-4d14-b2bb-efd915bc0382

The Financial times thinks the ONS predictions are just wrong as they haven't updated the changed fertility and mortality rates in their latest model.

So I think it's hard to work out what's predicted - but number of babies and fertility rate has dropped so natural population is set to decline not that far in future- but population will still grow due to immigration.

People are living much longer and we import ridiculous amounts of people every year onto a small island.

The population is aging, but not falling. Birth rates are falling, but we're living longer. We're also consuming and occupying more space than ever before - single adults in large houses, kids with 2 bedrooms, couples in family homes for decades after kids are grown. Society has changed, we need to completely rethink how we use our space and resources, but nobody wants to.

Housing- so many families live in two houses due to parents separating. My divorced friend bought a very large 4 bed house and had his kids EOW. Now it’s him and his girlfriend in the same very big house.

All the divorced parents I know, end up with twice as much housing for the family.

Multiply that across the generations and it’s not surprising we’re short of houses.

I think we will reach a point in the not too distant future where we will need to admit that we cant keep multiplying like we are. It's like a pyramid scheme to prop up the economy but eventually bust the environment etc

But we are nowhere close to multiplying as we are & the pyramid is turning upside down, that's the issue

I had a governing body meeting this week and the Headteacher informed us that she's been on a working group with the DfE making plans for this. They expect schools in the area to be amalgamating in the next 5-10 years as there's just not enough children being born to fill the spaces.

And I bet you do too.

That doesn't mean greedy developers should be buying up wholesale swathes of the countryside to build on.

Enough houses & buildings that could potentially become housing already in existence.

I'm just sad that I probably won't see a revolution in my lifetime.

Where did read it’s falling? A quick google would tell you it’s not. What’s the context of your question?