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Sarahsaraj · 27/01/2024 07:58

I am on a dream hol with DP of 2 years. We are early 30s no kids. Some cracks have been showing in our relationship, for me at least for the past year or so.

He’s a great guy, kind, generous, but it doesn’t feel completely right for me always.

Anyway things rose to a bit of a head today when we decided to arrange a transfer for the second leg of our trip. I spoke with the hotel to arrange it, found a website to book the boat trip on, found the nearest pier to our hotel, did most of the leg work. Asked him to sort the actual booking part out and whilst he was doing it, he started asking how to do it - website is unclear, what do you think this means, what do you think that means. I had to log on myself and make suggestions.

This isn’t a one off thing. When we are home, I do most of the cooking (enjoy it and he says I’m better) but then when he does it, again he’ll ask me how to cook fish or how to rescue a sauce. I’m finding it annoying! He is very senior and competent at work! Why can’t he just take ownership at home?

finally I made coffee for us both yesterday morning in bed, using the hotel’s coffee maker. Asked him to give me a coffee today in bed. He started crashing around, couldn’t fix the water element onto it, I had to get up and do it… Why is it so hard?

I lost it earlier and told him that I wasn’t happy with him doing all this. Why does he expect me to solve all the problems? He apologised etc etc but given he has many good points, am I expecting too much? Being too harsh? For example I am applying for jobs atm and he has written a couple of emails for me on holiday… very kind of him. Ofc I would do the same.

im just upset at the learned helplessness element!

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KnowledgeableMomma · 27/01/2024 20:13

So just let him do it. He's a grown adult. You (and probably the other women in his life, mothers/aunts/sisters) have done it all for him. Next time he asks you how to make fish sauce...."You're a grown man, I know you can figure it out". Can't figure put how to make a simple cup of coffee? Let him crash around until it gets done. How does this website work? "I don't know but I trust you'll figure it out". Eventually, he'll either get used to doing stuff for himself or you wake up and leave him.

RethinkingLife · 27/01/2024 20:01

Katemax82 · 27/01/2024 19:47

my husband of 21 years is like this... its exhausting

Did the 21 years just start adding up and life got in the way?

I've heard this so often from people, usually with deep regret. (Ignore if painful or intrusive.)

PartTimePartyPooper · 27/01/2024 19:57

IME this is one of those “once you’ve seen it, you can’t un-see it” relationship issues - all the tiny incompetencies will start to grate on you more and more as time goes on. It can be deeply unattractive to have someone depending on you in a child-like/pathetic/submissive way (unless you’re into being dominant!). Even if you adore your partner in other ways, it becomes a turn-off. Sadly my first partner was like this - I stayed too long, hoping he’d grow out of it - but he never did. The patterns were set early in our relationship and I just got so weary in the end I walked away. I broke both our hearts when I did - it was like kicking a puppy.

Katemax82 · 27/01/2024 19:47

my husband of 21 years is like this... its exhausting

londonloves · 27/01/2024 19:37

This sill only get worse if you have kids. Cal it out now, see if it changes, and if it doesn't, give up.

LunaNorth · 27/01/2024 17:19

I had one like that. Utterly useless. Mind you, it turns out it wasn’t just performative - everything I’ve seen in the twelve years since we split has reinforced my belief that he really is as useless as he seemed.

Run, don’t walk. It’s exhausting and ultimately a right turn-off.

Bex5490 · 27/01/2024 17:15

I think you’ve just got the ick - and once it comes it doesn’t usually go away 😫

LookItsMeAgain · 27/01/2024 15:25

It's sometimes called weaponized incompetence - you are doing the bulk of the mental load as well as doing the other stuff you mentioned.

He surely knows how to make a cup of instant coffee? Depending on the hotel, they may even have a nespresso machine in the room so it's not rocket science.

Organising the other stuff just shows a complete detachment of him from the situation and he leaves it up to you because he knows you will end up doing it.

I don't think that I could be with someone who is like this as I think I'd lose respect for them over time.

NewYear24 · 27/01/2024 15:09

I think it depends how much he does for you. What is he better at than you?
The cooking can easily be sorted, stop doing it all.
Different subject, I’m crap at hotel coffee machines and would be the one crashing around.
I think if you’re already seeing cracks in your relationship then it’s not a good sign.

p1ppyL0ngstocking · 27/01/2024 15:02

You want an equal partner in life.

He wants a chef, a housekeeper, a secretary and a sex toy, all rolled into one human being; you.

Tell him to act like a partner because otherwise what's in it for you?

He's like a weighted rucksack you have to carry around, rather than someone who shares the burden of life's tasks with you; he's making your life harder whilst you make his life easier - why would anyone continue with that?

tralalalalalalalal · 27/01/2024 14:48

You have to balance whether these small things are worth putting up with for the value that he adds to your life. Sometimes my dp is useless but he is very pure and caring and puts a lot of effort into our relationship. And I have to consider my downfalls that probably annoy him a lot, but I obviously add enough value that it's worth it

Toomuchgoingon79 · 27/01/2024 10:30

My exdp used to be like this. How do I use this website? Can you book this for me? How do I order this? How do I cook a bloody stir fry? Yet he also had good points- he done all the DIY, garden and car stuff as well as alllllllll the ironing!!

Dp on the other hand- Cooks, cleans, does DIY, books us trips away, orders me surprises, decorated, Sorts out his own accounts.attempts to do something himself even if he finds it difficult. It’s soooo much easier!

HarrietTheFireStarter · 27/01/2024 10:19

Heaps of men are like this. Personally I can't stand it. Nothing more sexy than competence.

Healthyhappymama · 27/01/2024 10:15

Personally I wouldn't find this annoying and I'd find it sweet and would love being able to help him out.. But if its annoying you , then leave now!! It's going to annoying you more over time. Or at least have a chat with him first , tell him how you feel see if he can step up a bit!!

determinedtomakethiswork · 27/01/2024 10:07

You'd be crazy to have a baby with someone who is so useless.

ConciseQueen · 27/01/2024 09:59

OP - you are doing well, do not give up. Be brutal and genuinely angry at these behaviours. ‘I’m leaving the room now. You can do it. Don’t ask me again’. Etc.

It can be cured. It just requires you to recognise it for what it is.

TempleOfBloom · 27/01/2024 09:54

Some people are not good with ‘stuff’. I’m not, but I feel strongly about managing so do try.

He might be just not practical, he might be indulging in learned helplessness. But you find it annoying and it gives you the ick.

I was very senior at work, took huge responsibilities in knife edge negotiations, etc. Sometimes at home I long for a hugely practical, energetic DIYer of a man to move in and look after me…

RethinkingLife · 27/01/2024 09:29

Performative and strategic incompetence - as other PPs say. No difficulties in the workplace, only in a domestic or social setting.

It wears very rapidly and it's difficult to maintain adult attraction to someone who behaves like this.

Don't have children or you'll be looking at this list (see current thread).

https://zawn.substack.com/p/the-dad-privilege-checklist

The Dad Privilege Checklist

There are so many things that dads never have to think about, and never have to feel guilty for not considering.

https://zawn.substack.com/p/the-dad-privilege-checklist

HalloumiGeller · 27/01/2024 09:26

I'm sorry OP, but I do feel that the things you mention are really trivial tbh. If he's a good partner, who is kind and generous, but a little hopeless at times, is that such a deal breaker? Really? I can't believe that people are telling you to dump him!! There are so many worse things that a partner could be!

My OH is lovely. He's kind, generous and wonderful with my kids (he's not their dad). He is ND so struggles with life admin and paperwork, plus due to being kicked out of his home as a young teen he has always struggled to understand a lot of life admin stuff. So I help him with this part, as I'm good at it. He always pays his way and is happy to do so, and he is helpful around the house.

Logainm · 27/01/2024 09:22

SpeedyDrama · 27/01/2024 08:29

Weaponised incompetence. This is how it starts but it often goes unnoticed until you have kids and suddenly all basic admin seems to be completely beyond the man. It’s excused as ‘oh men just don’t get these things like women’, then when it’s completely out of control the same women cry ‘but didn’t you realise he was useless when you met him?’ (Or worse, ‘poor man, can’t you write him a list?’).

It may not seem like a relationship ending thing, but it will grind you down if it carries on.

This reminds me of a friend of mine. I’m very fond of him, but he had taken strategic incompetence to a whole new level. His wife literally did everything involving the house, the children, household admin, finances. She proposed and arranged their wedding, including looking up addresses for all his friends (with whom he’d fallen out of touch) etc. and, when she eventually gave up, she had to send him rental listings and arrange the removal van.

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 27/01/2024 09:13

Weaponised incompetence
can’t work out a website? Yeah, right

Londonscallingme · 27/01/2024 09:10

I think it depends on if he’s consistently useless. My OH is dyslexic so filling out forms or anything admin related he’s terrible. He’s very good in other ways though so we just organise responsibilities which play to our strengths. As such I don’t feel like I do everything.

nononocontact · 27/01/2024 09:08

When I was at school a male teacher told us about how his wife sent him to do the shopping with a list and he half-arsed it thinking he wouldn’t be asked again. She gave him all the wrong items to take back then and there, and a new list, and repeated this several times (he went to the shop something like four times in one day!) until it was right.

He said he now does things right first time because she will make him repeat it until it’s what she asked him to do.

Break the cycle - don’t step in when he struggles! He needs to learn to figure it out himself. It may well be a lack of confidence and wanting to avoid disappointing you.

MrsSucculent · 27/01/2024 09:08

If it’s annoying you now it will always annoy you. Time to move on.

Wigtopia · 27/01/2024 09:06

Sarahsaraj · 27/01/2024 07:58

I am on a dream hol with DP of 2 years. We are early 30s no kids. Some cracks have been showing in our relationship, for me at least for the past year or so.

He’s a great guy, kind, generous, but it doesn’t feel completely right for me always.

Anyway things rose to a bit of a head today when we decided to arrange a transfer for the second leg of our trip. I spoke with the hotel to arrange it, found a website to book the boat trip on, found the nearest pier to our hotel, did most of the leg work. Asked him to sort the actual booking part out and whilst he was doing it, he started asking how to do it - website is unclear, what do you think this means, what do you think that means. I had to log on myself and make suggestions.

This isn’t a one off thing. When we are home, I do most of the cooking (enjoy it and he says I’m better) but then when he does it, again he’ll ask me how to cook fish or how to rescue a sauce. I’m finding it annoying! He is very senior and competent at work! Why can’t he just take ownership at home?

finally I made coffee for us both yesterday morning in bed, using the hotel’s coffee maker. Asked him to give me a coffee today in bed. He started crashing around, couldn’t fix the water element onto it, I had to get up and do it… Why is it so hard?

I lost it earlier and told him that I wasn’t happy with him doing all this. Why does he expect me to solve all the problems? He apologised etc etc but given he has many good points, am I expecting too much? Being too harsh? For example I am applying for jobs atm and he has written a couple of emails for me on holiday… very kind of him. Ofc I would do the same.

im just upset at the learned helplessness element!

I’d just start replying with “google it” and nothing else to see how that pans out! Particularly with things like how to work a coffee machine, how to cook X, how to rescue a sauce etc.

This is what my DH used to do with me if I asked for help with anything technical and it sure did work because it was annoying getting the same reply each time!! 😅