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Duckingfun · 26/01/2024 19:23

Please be kind as I’m struggling right now.

My house isn’t good enough. Its better than every house I lived in as a child and with my ex. Obviously I accept I’m used to it as it’s my ‘normal’ but it’s not because professionals say it’s not good enough.

I’m also autistic, homeless at 16 and never been taught to cook/clean/wash/whatever. I have no partner, no family and no friends (we moved away from friends because of dv and all my family have died or live elsewhere) ss involved due to dv and stayed involved due to poor house conditions.

I find housework really boring and mundane and when I do it it’s not good enough. I hoovered the living room and was told it didn’t look like it had been hoovered - I have a toddler and a teen, both asd etc and life is hard but I’m told there’s people in my situation with health problems, no support and 5+ disabled children whose house is spotless. How?
One social worker says house is ok 9/10 times and the other says it’s not and both say that’s not good enough anyway it needs to be spotless 10/10 times. Im crying because I’m overwhelmed and don’t feel I can physically do that? What do you do when you’re sick? Is it really that bad to leave the pots for the following day or only hoover once a day etc

I need to know exactly what you do each day to maintain your home. Tell me what products you use where, your cleaning routine if you have one, how you keep on top of stuff. How much time should be spent cleaning each room? How often do you wash bedding etc is being a sahm just endless cleaning?

thank you.

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Nanny0gg · 26/01/2024 23:11

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 26/01/2024 21:18

Antibacterial wipes are your friend carry them around the house and wipe all surfaces / door handles / light switches / anything! Wipe the kitchen surfaces everytime you use them and the bathroom sinks and taps and toilet seats as you go to bed. Stick bleach in the toilet at bedtime too. Hoover once a day ( I like to after breakfast) mop twice a week ( unless you have a dog then you might need to do it more) try and make sure everything has a home and put it back as soon as you’ve used it.

deep clean on the bathrooms / showers etc once a week ( I do a bathroom a day so mine get done every 4 days but we are large family )

change bed clothes once a week on rotation and towels too. You can totally do this! Write a list, let yourself have a break everytime you tick something off.

Am I the only one that doesn't think bedclothes need changing every week? Especially kids' if they bath before bed?

SummerDays2020 · 26/01/2024 23:03

Hoooooda · 26/01/2024 20:40

This seems like it all needs a bit more unpacking. SS threshold for telling you your house isn’t clean enough is usually pretty high IME. A house has to be quite bad for SS to actually see the need to comment and intervene. Have you been told specific problems or rooms that need to be sorted? Do you think your house is untidy or messy or unclean and how does it compare to other peoples houses? Sometimes houses are actually fairly clean, or you can spend a few hours cleaning them, and they still look awful because there’s so much crap everywhere. Is the issue also that you have a lot of stuff and so no matter how much you clean it doesn’t ever look ok?

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IME, it completely depends on the SW. You can get one say a house is really not good enough and then another will say it's absolutely fine.

Notthatcatagain · 26/01/2024 22:55

What kind of vacuum cleaner do you have? Sounds like yours may not be working too well. I've got one of those Flash dust magnet things, it has an extending handle so I start in one corner of a room, go all round the ceiling and light fittings,tops of pictures, table tops, round the radiators and finally skirting boards. Then you can just bin the fluffy head when it's full of dust. They are a bit expensive but I get refills on Amazon which are reasonable. Takes me about 5 minutes to do a room then hoover, job done. Another trick I learned recently is to spray some Mr Sheen on a dry cloth and use that for shining up or sticky marks. Smells nice too so just before the sw arrives, give a squirt of it as air freshener, just a bit, high into the room. Always put the light on in any room before you start cleaning, makes it easier to see what's there

110APiccadilly · 26/01/2024 22:54

I sat down one day and wrote a list of all the cleaning I felt needed doing. Then I decided how often everything needed doing. Then I made a master list of everything that needs to be cleaned every week on a four weekly rota. So some things are on there more than once a week (the toilet, for instance!) and some only come up every four weeks (this is stuff like sorting out a set of shelves where things tend to get dumped).

I have this list on my computer and print a new one off every four weeks. Then if I've got five or ten minutes, I can look at my list, pick a cleaning job and get it done and cross it off. I don't have to waste mental energy working out what to do, I just do what's on the list. (Obviously if I notice something dirty that's not on the list, I'll deal with that too.) It's a system that works for me. I did find that to start with, I kept having to add jobs I'd forgotten when I wrote the list, but I haven't had to add one in ages now.

(An additional advantage for me is that DH and I can both use the list with no need for any discussions about what needs doing - as long as we both remember to cross jobs off when done. I don't know whether your teen is ever up for helping with cleaning, but if they are, having a list to hand in case a helpful urge strikes them could be useful )

There are other routine bits of cleaning that don't go on the list, just because we're in the habit of always doing them. So things like sweeping the floor after eating (we find with a toddler this does have to be done after every single meal), or wiping down the kitchen counters after cooking. You could try putting those on a list but I'm not sure it would work. If you always eat at the same time, phone reminders might help you get into good habits maybe?

Sunnydays0101 · 26/01/2024 22:53

A few years ago, I used a website called Flylady.com

The website is all about housekeeping routines. A daily set of tasks. A daily 15 minute declutter. Then each room was a zone and you’d deep clean one a week. It was great for helping set routines.

Duckingfun · 26/01/2024 22:53

boomingaround · 26/01/2024 22:46

@Duckingfun I just can't believe this is accurate. No-ones house is spotless 100% of the time. Are you sure you aren't either misinterpreting what they are saying or not noticing how bad things are getting so you're understanding of spotless is very different to the average person?

Potentially you’re right. I struggle with communication and hopefully it’s a case of it doesn’t have to be spotless 100% of the time.
Ive not been well the last few weeks (unending nausea with migraines sprinkled on top every few days) and I’ve tried to keep on top of everything but maybe some things have been missed.
As I said before I’ve never been in a house that has been regularly cleaned and I’ve been winging it my whole life plus I just don’t understand some things. So potentially there’s something I think is fine and isn’t, hopefully on Monday it will be more specific and they can say exactly what the problem is or where they think things are slipping etc

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HalloumiGeller · 26/01/2024 22:48

It doesn't take a huge amount of effort to keep your house clean in all honesty.

I clean my bathroom and downstairs toilet once a week, then I mostly just do maintenance cleaning the rest of the time. Hoovering, sweeping and keeping the kitchen sides clean. Don't let your toddler eat walking around to make mess, they should be sat at a table.

Goldbar · 26/01/2024 22:47

Is your little one is nursery at all? When are you doing all of this cleaning?

There's a balance, yes - the house has to be cleaned regularly and sanitary. And while some mess is fine, too much clutter can get in the way of your child having space to play and develop.

But if you're caring full time for your child, I would be concerned that you're having to prioritise doing all of this housework (some of which sounds quite frankly unnecessary) over spending time with your DC and getting out of the house with them.

boomingaround · 26/01/2024 22:46

@Duckingfun I just can't believe this is accurate. No-ones house is spotless 100% of the time. Are you sure you aren't either misinterpreting what they are saying or not noticing how bad things are getting so you're understanding of spotless is very different to the average person?

Duckingfun · 26/01/2024 22:45

Shinyandnew1 · 26/01/2024 22:43

Your Social worker has told you that your house must always be spotless?

Yes. I have a social worker and intensive support. Is have said house is fine 9/10 times she’s been and things have been done when she’s asked. So 1/10 times they’ll be washing on the floor or pots in the sink and she will tell me to sort it and I will. She sees me several times a week. Sw sees me once every 10 days or less and has said 9/10 isn’t good enough and being ok or fine isn’t good enough. It needs to be spotless 10/10 times.

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Shinyandnew1 · 26/01/2024 22:43

Your Social worker has told you that your house must always be spotless?

Duckingfun · 26/01/2024 22:42

Crazycatlady79 · 26/01/2024 22:27

Do you have a friend, family member or advocate who can be there with you when SW visits, so that they can be a second pair of eyes or ears?
Would you be prepared to share some photos of your home here, as you MNetters will tell you what they think (kindly and constructively I hope!).
A messy home is NOT classed as neglect, unless the mess presents any hazards or ill effect(s) upon the wellbeing (emotional or physical) of children.
I've had Family Services involved on and off since my nearly 6 year old twins were born and we've had 6 SWs and 2 Family Workers, none of whom have ever passed comment upon the state of my flat (which has been a total state at times (combination of being physically disabled, AuDHD and having long term MH problems).

Unfortunately both my parents died within a few months of each other in 2021 and in 2022 we were in a refuge in a different county to my friends. That contributed to everything getting out of hand, lack of support and feeling isolated.

@boomingaround told by social workers. As I explained upthread their concern is that if it’s not spotless 24/7 it means things are getting bad again. I have to prove it won’t happen again for them to sign me off.

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Youcannotbeseriousreally · 26/01/2024 22:40

ladykale · 26/01/2024 21:48

Sorry but who does all this?!

It's not necessary if she's at social worker intervention level, it means the basics aren't done

Me? Many many people? This is the basics!!

Maray1967 · 26/01/2024 22:33

ladykale · 26/01/2024 21:48

Sorry but who does all this?!

It's not necessary if she's at social worker intervention level, it means the basics aren't done

There’s no way I will ever hoover every day. If it gets done once a week I’m happy.

Bathrooms get a proper clean every week. Toilets get a quick cleanse every day. I change bedding and towels once a week. Wash hard floors once a week.

Dishes are done every day- I never leave dirty dishes at night as I like to come down to a clean kitchen. Work surfaces wiped down several times a day as needed.

boomingaround · 26/01/2024 22:32

Duckingfun · 26/01/2024 20:31

So a messy house is neglect.

Ive been told I need to clean bathrooms daily, make sure skirting boards are clean as well etc mop daily. I’m feeling overwhelmed like there’s so much to do as well as looking after my kids and doing everything else that needs doing

Told by who???

Crazycatlady79 · 26/01/2024 22:27

Do you have a friend, family member or advocate who can be there with you when SW visits, so that they can be a second pair of eyes or ears?
Would you be prepared to share some photos of your home here, as you MNetters will tell you what they think (kindly and constructively I hope!).
A messy home is NOT classed as neglect, unless the mess presents any hazards or ill effect(s) upon the wellbeing (emotional or physical) of children.
I've had Family Services involved on and off since my nearly 6 year old twins were born and we've had 6 SWs and 2 Family Workers, none of whom have ever passed comment upon the state of my flat (which has been a total state at times (combination of being physically disabled, AuDHD and having long term MH problems).

Happilyobtuse · 26/01/2024 22:25

Hi, you have got lots of good advice in the thread so far!

My tips would be, reduce clutter and have fixed places for things. Eg. Kids puzzles go in particular shelf, lego in another, magnatiles in another etc. Show this to your kids too. They will pick it up. My 3 year old is very good at tidying up and even tells me off if I put things in the wrong place. 😂

To stay on top of things clean things then and there. Do not procrastinate! So if someone spills wotsits on the floor, pick it up and clean it off before someone else comes along and tramples on it and walks all over the house with it! I love a handheld hoover for small spills and to dust crumbs. Has really helped to keep things clean post having kids.

For toilets, before sleeping at night put some harpic or duck toilet cleaner into the toilets. You can brush and flush in the morning. Sinks need a spray with cif bathroom cleaner and wipe daily. Rest of the bathroom you can do weekly.

In your kitchen, if you have a dishwasher load all pots and pans at night and switch it on. Else wash all dishes. Spray and clean counters and hob. I use flash. I also sweep and mop kitchen and entrance hallway daily as I have tiles and not carpets.

Have sufficient bins around the house to put things which need to be discarded. So toilet should have a bin, one near the baby changing table, kitchen etc. Put bin bags in all bins, so that it is easy to empty. Bins should be emptied as soon as they are full. This ensures you don’t have garbage lying around and creating unnecessary clutter. It is also unhygienic.

I only hoover the entire house once a week. Bathrooms also get full clean once a week, I have 4 to do. Bedsheets get changed once a week and same for towels. Stay on top of laundry and fold and keep it away daily.

Keeping house is hardwork. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. And keeping a nice home is even harder. But think of it as a safe and happy environment for your kids. And also that you are setting a wonderful example for them to learn from. I am sure you can do this! All the best!

Hoooooda · 26/01/2024 22:22

It sounds like you need to do a combo of reducing mess and clutter and actual cleaning. A few extra ideas:

  • a pp mentioned making the beds every day and I would second this and say it’s more important than washing bedding every week as it makes the place look presentable and well looked after. Washing sheets every two weeks is fine IMO unless they’re visibly dirty or someone has got very hot and sweaty in them!
  • the example you have before about the crochet does suggest you still have too much stuff so a big clear out will help. Whatever you choose to keep, ensure it’s in proper storage. My DMs flat always looks messy and part of the reason for that is that she keeps all her stuff in random bags and overflowing boxes and all piled up without any order or logic. Even when her place is clean is still feels like it’s not because stuff is everywhere and you can see stuff spilling out all over the place
  • keep worktops and work surfaces clear and clean
  • No shoes indoors and store them neatly
  • hoovering and wiping has the biggest impact on how clean somewhere looks. If I’m doubt, wipe down everywhere and then hoover.
aLFIESMA · 26/01/2024 22:21

A lot of really good advice here, such kind supportive sentiments too. I would second getting The Organised Mum book, she explains tasks and makes you feel you can keep up with them. Also try to reframe how you see housework- more as in creating a calm and safe space for yourself and your family. You deserve a nice , peaceful home to relax in at the end of the day. Just doing little things consistently will make the difference, good luck and best wishes DuckingfunFlowers

Duckingfun · 26/01/2024 22:20

Atethehalloweenchocs · 26/01/2024 22:15

There are lots of you tube channels or online blogs about cleaning, like Mrs Hinch, so lots of places to get ideas from. But leaving pots until the next day, not cleaning bathrooms every day - those are normal life. Very gently OP, since ASD can cause difficulties with communications, is it worth asking the social workers to put their expectations in writing so there is no room for misunderstanding? Because I dont think I have ever met someone who cleans their bathroom every day!

Thank you, I have asked for them to write things down and they’re going to print the photos taken after the big clean so I have a visual aid as well. I didn’t say a word until I was 5 and only to my mum until I was 12 and communication has always been difficult so no offence taken at all! I was only recently diagnosed because back then only boys had autism 🤦‍♀️

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Atethehalloweenchocs · 26/01/2024 22:15

There are lots of you tube channels or online blogs about cleaning, like Mrs Hinch, so lots of places to get ideas from. But leaving pots until the next day, not cleaning bathrooms every day - those are normal life. Very gently OP, since ASD can cause difficulties with communications, is it worth asking the social workers to put their expectations in writing so there is no room for misunderstanding? Because I dont think I have ever met someone who cleans their bathroom every day!

Love51 · 26/01/2024 22:13

Priorities should be
1.No stuff on the stairs - it will be considered a hazard, so train yourself not to leave things there.

  1. Kitchen - get into the habit of wiping down surfaces
  2. Living space - if your daughter is learning to walk she needs a clean safe space to practice in.
To achieve 2 and 3, have a policy about where you all eat. Wherever you decide eat (table / breakfast bar) then stick to eating there. Cleaning is a pain, so this reduces the workload. A good soundtrack also helps. You can do this. Loads of us were born without a cleaning gene, but there are ways to make it easier. It is more stressful with professionals monitoring. One way to simplify is to reduce the number of decisions to make. Don't buy any more craft supplies until this is sorted, they breed in the night! If you have a lot to get rid of ask the SW for a skip. Or funded nursery time so you can get the job done (with a friend and music, it really is dull otherwise!)
Lavenderosa · 26/01/2024 22:12

Lots of great practical help in this thread.

I just wanted to add that I loathe housework - find it mind-numbingly boring. For people like us, the best thing to do is keep the home as tidy and clutter-free as possible. The less mess we make, the less there is to clean up and the more time you have for something more interesting. Look after yourself!

Lilysienna1 · 26/01/2024 22:11

Duckingfun · 26/01/2024 22:06

Thank you that’s really helpful! Declutter and deep clean this weekend 💪

it is safe and the living room which doubles as the playroom was safe even when the house was at its worse. It’s also payday on Monday so I’ll have the funds to try and sort out storage and have someone do a tip run or something.

I’m glad you got something from that, as I was aware I went off rambling 🤣 if you’re on face book marketplace, see if anyone is giving away any storage type things in your area, or if not free- cheap! I always go second hand first for that type of thing. Save your pennies for something nice for you after all this cleaning 💪

Lilysienna1 · 26/01/2024 22:09

Duckingfun · 26/01/2024 20:53

Initially it was really bad. I asked for help because I was overwhelmed and I 100% recognise and accept that how the house was wasn’t good enough by a long way.
It was professionally cleaned in December and I’m (I thought) keeping on top of it. I have struggled with mental health and they’ve said the worry is that it will go back to that.
Ive said I need them to be really direct and tell me specifically what the issues are rather than ‘the house isn’t good enough’ she said crumbs on the floor and cushions on the floor and the house is dirty. I asked if she could show me the dirt and what she means so I know and she said the other sw will talk to me next week about what I need to do more specifically

You ASKED for help. Give yourself some credit, as that takes STRENGTH to do. PleSe continue to be honest with them. You are not failing at mum life / adulting by saying ‘hey, look, I’m doing 10000x better than I was when I first asked you for help SW, but I still need some help and guidance with how to keep my house a clean and safe environment for my family, whilst making sure I’m feeling mentally healthy and strong enough to be raising my children, with the challenges that our extra needs brings us. I would appreciate your support with this, so I can keep moving forwards. Thank you for working with me.’ - keep co operating and admit when you still need support. Sometimes SS can help refer you to a service such as home start, where a volunteer can come round once or twice a week and support you with something just like this. You’re not alone! And give yourself a 10 out of 10 for admitting you needed help and still do. You have clearly come a long way. Be proud of that.