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Isurrender · 19/01/2024 23:50

I live up North with my two kids aged 18 and 24. Hubby works away and only home every few months. We have no family.

We have just come through the most horrific financial crisis as a family and have pretty much been left with nothing after a two year court battle. I am 54 and my husband is 60.

My son and I both work full time, but my daughter only works 11 hours a week in her own business which she is building up. I pay for her horse, phone and car tax each month. She did have a part time job but gave it up as she fell out with her friend who worked in the same shop and it was awkward, so now does 11 hours work only.

AIBU to expect help in the house? If I specifically ask her to clean a room she will, but if not she does nothing. I spend my weekends shopping, trying to tidy up and walking our dogs. She would never walk them unless asked. If I leave any washing up I mostly come home to it as she will say it wasn’t her mess. She has washed up three times this week and I’m still hearing about it. I’m really struggling with a bad back but she doesn’t notice. The bathroom floor is piled high in her dirty washing but it waits for me. Neither of them would put on a wash unless asked. Last night I was so tired and my back was agony. I left a bowl full of dishes and stuff on the sides, today she had no work and said she’d do them. She sent me a message at work saying she’d wash everyone else’s stuff up later. She had a lie in and went to her horse. I got home to dog poo all over the path and the same mess I’d left last night. She got home after me, telling me she’d wash up later. I said she should have done it earlier and she said her brother doesn’t wash up often. He’d got home and gone to the gym.

My son doesn’t do much but he works 11.5 hour days. If I want a job doing I have to ask over and over. Our garden is completely overgrown as he won’t do it, despite me practically begging him all summer. No one will empty bins unless I ask and if I don’t drag the dustbins out they don’t get emptied. They will see me go outside to fill coal buckets with a bad back and only do it if I ask.

I have nothing for myself, no time, no money, no outings. When the kitchen bin is full the stuff is left on the side for me to take out. My daughter now leaves makeup all over my nice table on the landing and won’t move it unless I ask. Then it’s back the next day. No one will clean the bathroom. The bathroom bin overflows onto the floor until I empty it. If I mention my daughter’s mess she says all I do is moan. I have asked her to get a second job but she doesn’t want to do any job I suggest. She owes her brother £600.

We went through an awful time and she moved out for 5 months to stay with her boyfriend. I admit I was horrible due to all the pressure but now she throws this at me and I feel guilty for asking for her help because I upset her a lot during the court case.

Should they do equal amounts or should she do more as she barely works? I’m at the end of my tether.

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Arabaloosa · 20/01/2024 10:54

Pop the horse out on loan if you have an attachment to him too. That way you can get him back when things are better. I understand that will still break your heart, but it's not as final as selling, and eases some financial pressure. To those saying sell it you can get another... To some people that's like saying get rid of a kid, you can get another, the emotional attachment is the same, even if you personally don't get it. With horse off the table, do what others have said, one warning about things where they shouldn't be, then bin. Look after your own washing, cooking, personal space, sod theirs. If they want clean clothes, they'll have to wash them etc. Stop paying for her stuff, she wants it she can get a job. I was her age, working full time hours, having to pay rent to my mum and pay for my own stuff, and pull my weight at home. Stop enabling her

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 10:54

peachgreen · 20/01/2024 10:48

Your preference for your son over your daughter is no doubt as apparent to her as it is on this thread. Which could also be part of the problem.

I’m sorry if it has come across like that. I can assure you I don’t prefer my son. My daughter and I were really close, we did everything together and spent all our time together. The whole court case and stress has really damaged our relationship. The only reason I ask her to do more is because she is only working a fifth of what my son is working in hours. Am I being unfair by asking her for more help than him. If you read all thread I have clearly said he is lazy too and refused to help in the garden and it’s now a wilderness. They are both lazy

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whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 10:51

He’s incredible with money. He would never default. His money is worked out to the penny. He will be paid back in the end. He had worked since age 13 in various jobs. They both have tbf that’s why I’m shocked at my daughter’s attitude.

You can't know that. Losing his job and being unable to get one that pays enough to cover it, illness, further financial trouble from you that means you lose the house and he has to pay back the loan AND pay private rent, you being unable to work etc etc are all possible reasons he would be unable to repay.

I feel very sorry for him. I also don't know how in the financial situation you say you're in you expect to be able to find £20k to pay him back.

He took that huge financial risk and his sister still gets to have a horse? I would feel pretty bloody resentful that him being lumbered with £20k of debt was more acceptable to you than the horse going to another owner.

You don't need to go into the court case in much detail but I feel it's relevant to how you approach the situation as a whole - was it caused by negligence / wrongdoing on the part of you and / or your DH?

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 10:49

CrotchetyQuaver · 20/01/2024 10:46

You pay her petrol?

That stops right now. You need to incentivise her to work a proper job.

The (saved) petrol money would go some way towards hiring a cleaner or gardener?

No! She pays for fuel but my point was almost 400 miles a month in fuel could be put towards the horse I pay. Gym is fine but 5 nights a week excessive if you don’t earn enough.

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peachgreen · 20/01/2024 10:48

Your preference for your son over your daughter is no doubt as apparent to her as it is on this thread. Which could also be part of the problem.

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 10:47

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 10:41

Your son taken out a loan to help you, which he's repaying himself, and his sister owes him money too? I hope he doesn't default on his repayments and get a shit credit rating as a result. I feel sorry for him on the financial front, he's really taken a big risk there.

He’s incredible with money. He would never default. His money is worked out to the penny. He will be paid back in the end. He had worked since age 13 in various jobs. They both have tbf that’s why I’m shocked at my daughter’s attitude.

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CrotchetyQuaver · 20/01/2024 10:46

You pay her petrol?

That stops right now. You need to incentivise her to work a proper job.

The (saved) petrol money would go some way towards hiring a cleaner or gardener?

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 10:44

MattDamon · 20/01/2024 10:22

Is your son paying the loan in exchange for rent? If not, he should still be paying rent.

He is paying loan off

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whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 10:41

Your son taken out a loan to help you, which he's repaying himself, and his sister owes him money too? I hope he doesn't default on his repayments and get a shit credit rating as a result. I feel sorry for him on the financial front, he's really taken a big risk there.

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 10:39

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 10:30

So she has a gym membership too?

And a horse?

Bloody hell.

Yes! Pays the gym membership herself and was going 5 nights a week at 92 miles per week in fuel costs. I told her she could only go three times as she owes money to her brother and she said that was unfair. She is now going three times.

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CrotchetyQuaver · 20/01/2024 10:35

If they're behaving like this, I'd be picking up all their crap and dumping it in their beds. Calling them out for being selfish arseholes expecting you to skivvy behind them. I wouldn't do anything for them. No food no washing no Wi-Fi and throwing stuff away if left out just to get the point across. Your daughter, I'd stop paying the car tax and phone for her. The horse, I understand. She needs to grow up a little, the money isn't there for her to act like she is
Where's your DH in this, he should be backing you up on all this.

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 10:35

MattDamon · 20/01/2024 10:22

Is your son paying the loan in exchange for rent? If not, he should still be paying rent.

He is paying loan off himself.

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whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 10:35

You don't need to go into the court case in much detail but I feel it's relevant to how you approach the situation as a whole - was it caused by negligence / wrongdoing on the part of you and / or your DH?

peachgreen · 20/01/2024 10:34

Well, it is relevant because if it was something that was, for example, your husband’s fault and your children are now suffering because of it while their dad still doesn’t do any housework, then their attitude is a lot more understandable etc etc.

MrsNandortheRelentless · 20/01/2024 10:32

Oh OP, I wrote a huge post describing my situation which is similar to yours.
I ranted and ranted and ranted. It felt so good to get it all out but I deleted it because I knew I would be called a martyr and made to feel even worse than I already do.. which is very very low and at the end of my tether.

I, like you feel like a skivvy and that no one gives a shit Or even notices that they are living in the middle of their own piles of shit. I do not like living like this. They have not grown up in a dirty, messy house. They have been taught from being little to clean and tidy after themselves. Now older, they just don’t do it.

Please rant away, I’m listening and I get your frustration.

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 10:31

peachgreen · 20/01/2024 10:25

Who was at fault in the court case? Feels like a fairly vital piece of information.

I cannot go into the court case. Not really relevant to chores. Already feel as though I could be outed and it’s a period we are all trying to recover from.

vital info about chores already included and it is this that will give me a breakdown as I can no longer live in a slum.

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whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 10:30

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 00:56

I told her tonight she is lazy, my son is too although he works very hard at work. Neither of them will walk to the dustbin. Anything that won’t fit in the kitchen bin is left for me to take out.

The other night I asked her to walk downstairs to bring the dog up. I was in bed and trying not to move as my back is so bad. She said no, she was too tired after the gym. I told her the dog would be cold snd miserable but still no!!! Only when she saw me starting to get out of bed did she go down.,

So she has a gym membership too?

And a horse?

Bloody hell.

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 10:27

peachgreen · 20/01/2024 10:24

What a mess. So you owe your son £20k? You definitely can’t ask him for rent then, no. But that has created a very unhealthy dynamic. Honestly I can’t really believe you let him get into debt for you, but I guess it’s done now. Anyway, he may work long hours but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have to contribute to the house at all.

As for your daughter, stop paying for things until she starts contributing to the household.

Give them both something to be responsible for. Your son can do the bins, your daughter the laundry, and they can split the washing up. Don’t do any of it yourself. Make it clear that’s what you’re asking them to do in lieu of rent. If they won’t or don’t do it, they can find their own places to live, end of story.

The alternative was my son contributing towards rental at £600 plus each month. The loan was the cheaper option. It’s a bad situation and difficult.

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peachgreen · 20/01/2024 10:25

Who was at fault in the court case? Feels like a fairly vital piece of information.

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 10:24

Jellycatspyjamas · 20/01/2024 10:21

He has taken out a 20K loan to help us through the court issues so I cannot expect rent. He also lent me 2K for a car so he does help.

Is he making the repayments on the loan? If so I’d consider that his rent but if he took out the loan and you’re repaying it he needs to pay rent.

He makes the repayments which I feel terrible about but it was the only way.

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peachgreen · 20/01/2024 10:24

What a mess. So you owe your son £20k? You definitely can’t ask him for rent then, no. But that has created a very unhealthy dynamic. Honestly I can’t really believe you let him get into debt for you, but I guess it’s done now. Anyway, he may work long hours but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have to contribute to the house at all.

As for your daughter, stop paying for things until she starts contributing to the household.

Give them both something to be responsible for. Your son can do the bins, your daughter the laundry, and they can split the washing up. Don’t do any of it yourself. Make it clear that’s what you’re asking them to do in lieu of rent. If they won’t or don’t do it, they can find their own places to live, end of story.

MattDamon · 20/01/2024 10:22

Is your son paying the loan in exchange for rent? If not, he should still be paying rent.

DontListenToWhatYouveConsumed · 20/01/2024 10:21

Can I firstly recommend you get a sturdy grab stick. Not a cheapy thing, buy from a mobility place or get from Council stores of you have one.
Stop bending when you don't have to.
There really is no reason for you to be picking up your daughters dirty laundry from the bathroom floor. I would be tempted to dump it on her bed, but only if I had a grab stick!
You are going to run out of steam soon, your body is already telling you this.
What happens when mum is actually broken?
Please consider your health, physical and mental, before you crash and burn 🌺

Jellycatspyjamas · 20/01/2024 10:21

He has taken out a 20K loan to help us through the court issues so I cannot expect rent. He also lent me 2K for a car so he does help.

Is he making the repayments on the loan? If so I’d consider that his rent but if he took out the loan and you’re repaying it he needs to pay rent.

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 10:19

zingally · 20/01/2024 10:09

"Horrific financial crisis", but "pays for her horse."

Clearly not THAT bad, is it?

There's a whole host of things you can do in terms of dealing with your useless young adults. But setting some ground rules and following through would help.

Yes it is THAT bad! We have had to give away every penny we had in the world and were almost homeless. We have lost our life savings, cashed in every policy. So yes, bad!! I know most people don’t understand but our animals are our world and part of our family always. They are not pieces of furniture to pass on. I realise that’s hard to understand though.

we are on no benefits may I add so the horse is not coming off the state. It’s a really hard situation.

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