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Isurrender · 19/01/2024 23:50

I live up North with my two kids aged 18 and 24. Hubby works away and only home every few months. We have no family.

We have just come through the most horrific financial crisis as a family and have pretty much been left with nothing after a two year court battle. I am 54 and my husband is 60.

My son and I both work full time, but my daughter only works 11 hours a week in her own business which she is building up. I pay for her horse, phone and car tax each month. She did have a part time job but gave it up as she fell out with her friend who worked in the same shop and it was awkward, so now does 11 hours work only.

AIBU to expect help in the house? If I specifically ask her to clean a room she will, but if not she does nothing. I spend my weekends shopping, trying to tidy up and walking our dogs. She would never walk them unless asked. If I leave any washing up I mostly come home to it as she will say it wasn’t her mess. She has washed up three times this week and I’m still hearing about it. I’m really struggling with a bad back but she doesn’t notice. The bathroom floor is piled high in her dirty washing but it waits for me. Neither of them would put on a wash unless asked. Last night I was so tired and my back was agony. I left a bowl full of dishes and stuff on the sides, today she had no work and said she’d do them. She sent me a message at work saying she’d wash everyone else’s stuff up later. She had a lie in and went to her horse. I got home to dog poo all over the path and the same mess I’d left last night. She got home after me, telling me she’d wash up later. I said she should have done it earlier and she said her brother doesn’t wash up often. He’d got home and gone to the gym.

My son doesn’t do much but he works 11.5 hour days. If I want a job doing I have to ask over and over. Our garden is completely overgrown as he won’t do it, despite me practically begging him all summer. No one will empty bins unless I ask and if I don’t drag the dustbins out they don’t get emptied. They will see me go outside to fill coal buckets with a bad back and only do it if I ask.

I have nothing for myself, no time, no money, no outings. When the kitchen bin is full the stuff is left on the side for me to take out. My daughter now leaves makeup all over my nice table on the landing and won’t move it unless I ask. Then it’s back the next day. No one will clean the bathroom. The bathroom bin overflows onto the floor until I empty it. If I mention my daughter’s mess she says all I do is moan. I have asked her to get a second job but she doesn’t want to do any job I suggest. She owes her brother £600.

We went through an awful time and she moved out for 5 months to stay with her boyfriend. I admit I was horrible due to all the pressure but now she throws this at me and I feel guilty for asking for her help because I upset her a lot during the court case.

Should they do equal amounts or should she do more as she barely works? I’m at the end of my tether.

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CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 20/01/2024 13:52

Well done for tackling the laundry as the first step, OP. It doesn't need to create conflict - you can respond calmly to any queries with a reminder where the washing machine is(!).

And the response to the geckos - yes, if you can follow through. But if not, it becomes another thing you say that she'll feel she can ignore.

Having made a stand on these two things, you would now try to have some positive interactions with her before more battles. Are there still times when you can just enjoy her company or does that feel all in the past at the moment?

Newchapterbeckons · 20/01/2024 13:49

You have too much on your plate. Time to reduce the load.

StarDolphins · 20/01/2024 13:48

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 13:44

@StarDolphins

IMO, you do whatever it takes for a pet, for its whole life.

Then 'whatever it takes' needs to mean working more hours (for OP's daughter) and OP saying that if she doesn't, she needs to find elsewhere to live.

Or loaning out the horse.

Or downsizing their home.

Yep, totally agree. All of those are good options & absolutely should be done. I would work 100 hours a week if I had to in order to do the right thing by any responsibilities I’d committed to.

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 13:46

And @StarDolphins you haven't reprimanded OP for saying she's giving her an ultimatum re the geckos. But have reprimanded people saying she needs to consider at least loaning the horse.

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 13:44

@StarDolphins

IMO, you do whatever it takes for a pet, for its whole life.

Then 'whatever it takes' needs to mean working more hours (for OP's daughter) and OP saying that if she doesn't, she needs to find elsewhere to live.

Or loaning out the horse.

Or downsizing their home.

RedHelenB · 20/01/2024 13:41

I don't understand how people let it get to the stage where their kids walk all over them. Just say no occasionally.

C00k · 20/01/2024 13:40

But OP is wanting rid of the adult daughters other pets-geckos, so…

StarDolphins · 20/01/2024 13:38

littleblackcat27 · 20/01/2024 13:33

@StarDolphins having a horse is totally different to having a cat/hamster or even a dog.

What if they have a massive vets bill? I would imagine horse insurance is v.high.

At some point, you have to be realistic.

No. You take responsibility for the pet (whether its a goldfish or a horse) that you’ve taken on, that is loved & part of your family. DD needs to get a job to help pay.

IMO, you do whatever it takes for a pet, for its whole life.

littleblackcat27 · 20/01/2024 13:37

@whatsitcalledwhen - thank you for clarifying

and eeek - sounds bad Sad

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 13:36

littleblackcat27 · 20/01/2024 13:35

@whatsitcalledwhen why do you think the court case etc is down to the husband? I think I missed that bit.

OP said in a later post:

it was a business partnership thst went wrong. Yes my husband’s fault but also other party but they got out of it unscathed.

tenterden · 20/01/2024 13:35

I'm another one wondering if the DH is in fact in prison.

This sounds like a situation that is completely out of control. You have to take control back and use deeds, not words.

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 13:35

@kittensinthekitchen

I would guess the OP played some part in the financial issues, she doesn't seem particularly financially astute.

Fair point, I agree.

Saying the family is broke while the household between them have a horse costing £200 a month, two cars, two adult gym memberships etc is so incredibly out of touch with what is / isn't normal.

littleblackcat27 · 20/01/2024 13:35

@whatsitcalledwhen why do you think the court case etc is down to the husband? I think I missed that bit.

FrontEnd · 20/01/2024 13:34

If you had to cash pensions and policies in to resolve legal matter at 50+ then you've got some serious decisions to make soon regarding horse & home...whether you like it or not, sorry.

I wonder what would happen if you listed the issues (cashflow, time on chores, mental load) and asked them to propose a solution detailing their contributions to make it workable. Maybe a 6 month trial with lodgers paying market rent and not messing the place up is needed unless they can convince you otherwise...they should both be mucking in with chores and paying you board anyway (simply deduct your son's off the running loan tally which aiui you're paying him back for). And if they don't follow through, you need to buy getting in a lodger.

No perfect solutions here, you just need to pick one that's better than now. Good luck.

littleblackcat27 · 20/01/2024 13:33

@StarDolphins having a horse is totally different to having a cat/hamster or even a dog.

What if they have a massive vets bill? I would imagine horse insurance is v.high.

At some point, you have to be realistic.

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 13:33

@StarDolphins

Then give them both a list of jobs that they need to do daily/weekly which will then be their responsibility. There’s 3 adults, all should be helping equally.

OP says she has tried this over and over again and they do not do it. They should, but they aren't.

Yet she's continuing to sub her daughter and allowing her to work 11 hours a week but have a horse.

Her daughter needs to work more or move out. It's not ideal at 18, of course. It's very early to move out nowadays.

But thanks to OP's husband, this isn't a normal situation. He fucked it, frankly.

It's unfortunate that everyone else has to pay the price but that's the reality of the situation.

This isn't sustainable.

OP is there a reason you can't downsize?

kittensinthekitchen · 20/01/2024 13:23

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 13:08

He fucked their financial future up and now doesn't have to deal with the day to day consequences. I would be so beyond livid I couldn't stay with him.

I would guess the OP played some part in the financial issues, she doesn't seem particularly financially astute.

StarDolphins · 20/01/2024 13:23

TheSandgroper · 20/01/2024 00:26

Sell the horse no matter how much it breaks your heart. Needs must. You can always get another one.

Stop paying for the phone. I can see why you pay the car tax - keep that.

And more tough love. Clean the kitchen then ban her from it. Toss clothes out of the bathroom window.

Admittedly, some kids take longer than others to grow up but, sometimes, teenagers need a slap in the face with a wet fish.

Sell an animal but don’t worry, you can just get another? No wonder rescue centres are on their knees. I despair at people like you. Horrible suggestion.

littleblackcat27 · 20/01/2024 13:22

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 11:26

Around £220. She started paying for bedding two months ago as I used to pay that too

Blimey - that's a lot. Yes. Get rid of the horse or loan it out.

Plus your daughter can't have a gym membership or car unless she pays for it.

Not really seeing how you can call your son 'lazy' when he's working a 60 hour week and paying off a £20k loan of yours and you're angry because he won't do the gardening?!?

My grown up kids are not interested in gardening at all - neither is my husband. I do a lot of it, and work 30 hours a week. You could get a cleaner and a gardener for £220 a month ....

StarDolphins · 20/01/2024 13:19

’sell the horse’ just like that, as if it’s a car. NO, you shouldn’t sell the horse, a pet is a responsibility that should be taken seriously. You should tell her at the very least you expect her to pay half towards the bills you’re currently funding (horse, phone etc)

Then give them both a list of jobs that they need to do daily/weekly which will then be their responsibility. There’s 3 adults, all should be helping equally.

C00k · 20/01/2024 13:11

’Any pet we have through our door has a home for life and I would never give one up.’…..’I told her to advertise them’ (geckos)🥴

Aye, alright 😄
All sound tedious, will you not downsize and enjoy life? If it was your live-away husband who chose the circumstances that led to court, and your child paying your debts, divorce him. I don’t see the point in the marriage as it is, anyway.

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 13:08

kittensinthekitchen · 20/01/2024 13:08

Where on earth is your husband in this scenario? What is his contribution, either to the family or the household?

He fucked their financial future up and now doesn't have to deal with the day to day consequences. I would be so beyond livid I couldn't stay with him.

kittensinthekitchen · 20/01/2024 13:08

Where on earth is your husband in this scenario? What is his contribution, either to the family or the household?

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 13:07

Both your children sound great, remember your daughter is barely an adult and she is trying to start her own business which is bringing in some income by the sounds of it. She's messy yes but most 18 year olds are.

Never proactively does any chores despite knowing her mum is sinking under the weight of it all, only works 11 hours a week but says she has no time to help with chores, regularly boxes her mum in despite knowing what a pain it is, won't walk the dog without a fight about it, leaves dog shit for her mum (with a bad back and a full time job) to clear up...

And this: "I asked daughter to clear the mess she left and tidy outside. I asked her for six weeks to pick up a blanket she’d thrown out of her car. I eventually removed it."

This isn't normal 18 year old behaviour.

poetryandwine · 20/01/2024 13:06

Hi, OP -

You sound paralysed by guilt. I know that is really hard, but I hope you know that for the sake of your DC as well as yourself it is best to put it behind you.

Small steps: yes, your DS works very long hours and I am sure that is tiring. But at a minimum he can do his own dishes, promptly.

And I completely agree that each adult should do their own laundry, on a rota. If anyone can’t be bothered to remove their clothes for the next person, have a spare laundry basket nearby for dumping them. You can start this immediately. Use any system of laundry bins that makes sense for your family, and be strong!

I agree that DS was very nice to shoulder the burden of the loan for you. But what are the payments? I don’t think DC should pay market rent but if the payments are far below market rent then yes, he should top them up.

The principle is that three adults are sharing a house. You want to excuse DS some chores on the grounds of his long working hours and I get that. But then his financial contribution should be proportionate. Make sure it is.

And yes, he can certainly sort the garden or pay someone to do it. Fewer chores, once he is paying fairly, because of his hours. Not no chores.

Your DD is the real problem. I love the idealism of 18 year olds but nothing about her attitude as you have described it suggests she is on the verge of a great business success. She needs to make some sort of contribution to the household. Less, because she is younger, in that not-quite-adult space. If she cannot manage a financial one then she needs to make a practical one. Aside from cleaning up promptly after herself, she can work out with you how to contribute.

The horse: I know it is part of the family but as PP have said, it really needs to be loaned to someone who will cherish it until you’re dug out of this financial pit. For £220/mo you could have a weekly cleaner!

These are the small steps. The big problem is that your DC are not treating you with respect. We don’t know the back story. But if some of the immediate burdens were relieved you could probably think more clearly. Best wishes