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Isurrender · 19/01/2024 23:50

I live up North with my two kids aged 18 and 24. Hubby works away and only home every few months. We have no family.

We have just come through the most horrific financial crisis as a family and have pretty much been left with nothing after a two year court battle. I am 54 and my husband is 60.

My son and I both work full time, but my daughter only works 11 hours a week in her own business which she is building up. I pay for her horse, phone and car tax each month. She did have a part time job but gave it up as she fell out with her friend who worked in the same shop and it was awkward, so now does 11 hours work only.

AIBU to expect help in the house? If I specifically ask her to clean a room she will, but if not she does nothing. I spend my weekends shopping, trying to tidy up and walking our dogs. She would never walk them unless asked. If I leave any washing up I mostly come home to it as she will say it wasn’t her mess. She has washed up three times this week and I’m still hearing about it. I’m really struggling with a bad back but she doesn’t notice. The bathroom floor is piled high in her dirty washing but it waits for me. Neither of them would put on a wash unless asked. Last night I was so tired and my back was agony. I left a bowl full of dishes and stuff on the sides, today she had no work and said she’d do them. She sent me a message at work saying she’d wash everyone else’s stuff up later. She had a lie in and went to her horse. I got home to dog poo all over the path and the same mess I’d left last night. She got home after me, telling me she’d wash up later. I said she should have done it earlier and she said her brother doesn’t wash up often. He’d got home and gone to the gym.

My son doesn’t do much but he works 11.5 hour days. If I want a job doing I have to ask over and over. Our garden is completely overgrown as he won’t do it, despite me practically begging him all summer. No one will empty bins unless I ask and if I don’t drag the dustbins out they don’t get emptied. They will see me go outside to fill coal buckets with a bad back and only do it if I ask.

I have nothing for myself, no time, no money, no outings. When the kitchen bin is full the stuff is left on the side for me to take out. My daughter now leaves makeup all over my nice table on the landing and won’t move it unless I ask. Then it’s back the next day. No one will clean the bathroom. The bathroom bin overflows onto the floor until I empty it. If I mention my daughter’s mess she says all I do is moan. I have asked her to get a second job but she doesn’t want to do any job I suggest. She owes her brother £600.

We went through an awful time and she moved out for 5 months to stay with her boyfriend. I admit I was horrible due to all the pressure but now she throws this at me and I feel guilty for asking for her help because I upset her a lot during the court case.

Should they do equal amounts or should she do more as she barely works? I’m at the end of my tether.

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stomachameleon · 21/01/2024 10:53

Reminding me they have no clean clothes.

You know where the machine is.
Rinse and repeat.

Isurrender · 21/01/2024 10:07

Tooshytoshine · 21/01/2024 09:07

It sounds utterly traumatic for all of you.

The court case sounds like your family were punished for your husband's naivety and from the fact he works away for so long I am guessing he is now working in the UAE or Caymans to recoup income.

It sounds like you previous had a very comfortable to almost lavish lifestyle and the kids are having to recalibrate to this. Your son sounds more mature as he is older but has had to step up in the household. I am not sure on a 60 hour week, where I was also paying a significant loan, I would also want to spend my weekends gardening. He could pay rent in a more convenient place at a lower rate than this.

Your daughter is 18 and needs to get a full time job. You should then calculate a proportionate keep that goes towards the upkeep of the property - cleaner and garden clearance.

I can see you are frustrated and that a lot is falling to you but I am not sure I think this is on your children. At that age, their responsibilities are minimal and I should imagine the emotional fall out if the last few years is hard for you all.

His decision to take out the loan was based on the fact that he’d have been paying a lot more in rental if we’d had to leave. That would have been permanent where with the loan it will end in three years and we get to stay in our home which is what we all wanted. I also have a loan which ends in three years. Both hard for now but things will get better.
with regards to the garden I was simply asking him to cut the lawn. This was before he even took out the loan. People who work full time still have to cut their lawns. A 24 year old shouldn’t need to rest all night after a day’s work. One hour per week is not a big ask when your food is cooked, clothes washed and you do bare minimum to help.

Tryst me she will be working more. She has been given no choice and us fully grasping what I expect.

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Isurrender · 21/01/2024 09:29

PelicanPopcorn · 21/01/2024 08:30

I feel like you have a lot of anger about your life probably due to the unfairness of the financial hit and court case. This is really understandable.
You need to be really careful not to focus that anger on your children. They don't sound that lazy just young. It is unfair to expect your daughter to do more chores than your son. Getting harsh and punitive is not going to work (and clearly hasn't so far).
Sit down with your daughter and help here explore career options in a supportive way.
I also think you and your husband need to do this yourselves. Your son can't be shouldering such a massive loan. Your husband and yourself need to make a plan to fix this - even if it is along term one. It's not done resolved and ges paying for years. That's not okay.
Focus your anger on the situation (or your husband if he's not stepping up).

Reminding me they have no clean clothes.

Leaving piles of clothes on the bathroom floor.

Leaving a sink full of dishes for me to do when I get in from work.

Not walking the dogs.

Refusing to help in garden.

Not picking up dog poo.

Not cleaning the bathroom.

leaving a load of mess outside for 6 weeks until I cleared it up!!!

Sorry OP! I’m the one complaining and I disagree with you. This is lazy!! Yes they are young but I have a bad back.

You really think it’s unfair to ask my daughter to contribute to more of the housework/dog walking/garden when two other adults are working almost four times the number of hours that she is? Whilst up until now she has refused to do every job I have suggested.

Career option explored last night and jobs applied for.

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Caliope27 · 21/01/2024 09:22

I've clicked on 'see all' op and can see that you're starting to get to grip with things. Well done, that wasn't an easy thing to do.
It's sad that some here see horses as some sort of second-class pet. They wouldn't sell their dog, but a horse is fair game. I understand why you don't subscribe to that view, and quite honestly, if your daughter gets her act together and starts paying for the horse that will release up a lot of money for you.
Your daughter needs to pay her own way - car, fuel, horse and gym if she can afford it. She's 18, so you might make some allowance for her re rent, but it she was just paying her way it would transform your life financially. Aim for a position where she isn't costing you anything as a start?

Housework - you need to sit them down and tell them that this is a household of adults. Adults don't need lists to tell them what to do, they use their eyes and do it. You could say that you won't clear up their mess any more. If you pick something up that belongs to you, you will put it in a black bin bag and throw the bag in their room when you finish tidying. Every single time do it.

Tooshytoshine · 21/01/2024 09:07

It sounds utterly traumatic for all of you.

The court case sounds like your family were punished for your husband's naivety and from the fact he works away for so long I am guessing he is now working in the UAE or Caymans to recoup income.

It sounds like you previous had a very comfortable to almost lavish lifestyle and the kids are having to recalibrate to this. Your son sounds more mature as he is older but has had to step up in the household. I am not sure on a 60 hour week, where I was also paying a significant loan, I would also want to spend my weekends gardening. He could pay rent in a more convenient place at a lower rate than this.

Your daughter is 18 and needs to get a full time job. You should then calculate a proportionate keep that goes towards the upkeep of the property - cleaner and garden clearance.

I can see you are frustrated and that a lot is falling to you but I am not sure I think this is on your children. At that age, their responsibilities are minimal and I should imagine the emotional fall out if the last few years is hard for you all.

PelicanPopcorn · 21/01/2024 08:30

I feel like you have a lot of anger about your life probably due to the unfairness of the financial hit and court case. This is really understandable.
You need to be really careful not to focus that anger on your children. They don't sound that lazy just young. It is unfair to expect your daughter to do more chores than your son. Getting harsh and punitive is not going to work (and clearly hasn't so far).
Sit down with your daughter and help here explore career options in a supportive way.
I also think you and your husband need to do this yourselves. Your son can't be shouldering such a massive loan. Your husband and yourself need to make a plan to fix this - even if it is along term one. It's not done resolved and ges paying for years. That's not okay.
Focus your anger on the situation (or your husband if he's not stepping up).

Bettyfromlondon · 21/01/2024 07:23

Great start OP! Regarding the garden - it sounds too big a job for someone who is working long hours. It is the wrong time of year at the moment but is it possible to save up some money for the spring to get a company to blitz it for a couple of days and break the back of the job for you three to follow through. An improved garden would give a great psychological uplift.

Weenurse · 21/01/2024 05:01

sounds like a productive day. . I hope you maintain your momentum

spanishviola · 21/01/2024 01:05

User1775 · 20/01/2024 12:07

Sell the horse, personally I'd get the house valued and have a sit down conversation where you offer to sell up, pay DS back and then all move forward alone - with you moving to a small property with no garden. They'll either wake up or you're free or it.

This is what I would do.

Isurrender · 21/01/2024 01:04

exttf · 20/01/2024 19:14

The financial stuff is a big part of the problem though. It's not a derailment.
DD in particular is not making any contribution either financially or chores and it is disrespectful. It needs to be sorted.

The horse would not be an issue if DD had a job and was contributing towards the household. The gecko problem could have been solved easily long ago. I would never put up with what you have put up with them. I'd have moved them back into her room as soon as they appeared on the landing.

Both DD and DS should be contributing to rent and bills with DS's contribution being reduced by the amount he is paying towards the loan.

But you seem to have made a start:
control has started today. I have been out for a hot drink and left them cleaning. Washing basket removed from bathroom and all their dirty washing now in their rooms. Daughter has 48 hours to secure more work. There are local jobs and she has been told to get one

So what happens if she does not get a job within 48 hours?

I have told here there are two choices, she either gets an additional job whilst building up her business or she must close her business altogether and take any job. I have told her that if she does not get one I will put an advertisement on fb on her behalf on our local village group so I have left her with that thought.

We have all suffered great trauma and her A Levels were affected. Yes she is a selfish nightmare but she is also my daughter and only 18. I have sat down with her tonight and she has applied for two apprenticeships, both with decent money as a back up plan. She has moved her geckos and this is a start. She knows that she has to bring in more money imminently and now I have to give her chance to show me she has listened.

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Isurrender · 21/01/2024 00:47

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 21/01/2024 00:40

Why does an unemployed 18 year old need a car?

To get to her customers in the business she has set up. Even if she had a regular job how would you suggest she got to that job without a car?

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Isurrender · 21/01/2024 00:45

poetryandwine · 20/01/2024 19:52

I think OP is entitled to her privacy regarding her husband. The whole family is obviously traumatised and she may not be ready to unpack that publicly, even on an anonymous forum.

It is enough to know that they hurting. But her DC are treating her disrespectfully and there is an implication that they’ve had it very easy at home for a long time.

Thank you so much! Exactly this! That’s the issue on here, people want every aspect of your life revealed and that’s not happening. I posted about lack of help with chores and I’ve been weighed down with “Why can’t you get rid of the horse?” “Why aren’t you telling us where hubby is. Is he in prison?”

I’ve had some lovely constructive advice and I have today started implementing it and will continue. Yes my kids have been spoilt for two long, thinking I am some kind of slave. I’ve been so bogged down with the stress of everything I’ve allowed it.

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TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 21/01/2024 00:40

Why does an unemployed 18 year old need a car?

Isurrender · 21/01/2024 00:40

kittensinthekitchen · 20/01/2024 18:43

I don't know why you keep ignoring the point of your husband's contributions to the household?

He's clearly not earning minimum wage with that work schedule, so should be financially contributing handsomely?
You say he's home "every 2-3 months", but not how long for?

Because it’s totally irrelevant to a post about my kids doing household chores. My husband contributes a lot, he works away and therefore cannot do chores so they are left to me as my kids have not been contributing but that has changed from today and will continue.

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Isurrender · 21/01/2024 00:33

kittensinthekitchen · 20/01/2024 18:43

I don't know why you keep ignoring the point of your husband's contributions to the household?

He's clearly not earning minimum wage with that work schedule, so should be financially contributing handsomely?
You say he's home "every 2-3 months", but not how long for?

I’ve ignored those comments because I posted for advice about my kids not helping. It’s absolutely nothing to do with whether hubby is contributing. Yes of course he is contributing but my post wasn’t a financial post, or a post about pets. I wanted advice on how to sort the constant issues with chores.

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ProfessorInkling · 20/01/2024 20:15

It sounds like all you do is make empty threats and feel hard-done by.

Fine you don’t want to sell the horse, but recognise your privilege to be able to make that choice. I don’t know anyone who would claim to be utterly skint while paying £220+ on a non-essential.

Zanatdy · 20/01/2024 20:04

JellyWellyBoots · 20/01/2024 19:45

There's definitely a huge part of the story we are missing. All questions about the husband have been dodged, surely if he's working away for that long he's earning decent money? Why isn't he helping at all?

Because that’s got nothing to do with chores not getting done. He’s working away, end of. OP doesn’t need to share the details of what happened to get advice on how to get her kids to do chores.

Zanatdy · 20/01/2024 20:03

When you’ve lost everything else getting rid of an animal your family loves is the last thing you’d want to do. People saying you get rid of the horse are being ridiculous. Selling the horse wouldn’t have prevented the loan being taken out. Kudos to OPs son for taking out the loan to help the family. I am sure OP feels terrible enough about that without the pile on here. I’m sure he will get that money back in time. But all the more reason the 18yr old DD gets a job and pays for her own horse so that money can go to the son towards the loan. Very difficult situation - time to get strict on things like not doing the washing and don’t relent and do it. They are capable but lazy. As are my kids and I’m sure many of those making judgements

poetryandwine · 20/01/2024 19:52

I think OP is entitled to her privacy regarding her husband. The whole family is obviously traumatised and she may not be ready to unpack that publicly, even on an anonymous forum.

It is enough to know that they hurting. But her DC are treating her disrespectfully and there is an implication that they’ve had it very easy at home for a long time.

Zanatdy · 20/01/2024 19:49

You need to go nuclear with them. They both need to do more around the house. If they don’t want to they can get a house share and see how their housemates will feel with them leaving stuff lying around like they do

JellyWellyBoots · 20/01/2024 19:45

There's definitely a huge part of the story we are missing. All questions about the husband have been dodged, surely if he's working away for that long he's earning decent money? Why isn't he helping at all?

exttf · 20/01/2024 19:14

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 18:17

Yes! I did say advertise them! She knows I’d never let them go and she wouldn’t either but they are now back in her room as I have had enough!

My post has sadly been derailed by the financial stuff and pets when all I really needed was advice on the chores and how to stop living in a slum

The financial stuff is a big part of the problem though. It's not a derailment.
DD in particular is not making any contribution either financially or chores and it is disrespectful. It needs to be sorted.

The horse would not be an issue if DD had a job and was contributing towards the household. The gecko problem could have been solved easily long ago. I would never put up with what you have put up with them. I'd have moved them back into her room as soon as they appeared on the landing.

Both DD and DS should be contributing to rent and bills with DS's contribution being reduced by the amount he is paying towards the loan.

But you seem to have made a start:
control has started today. I have been out for a hot drink and left them cleaning. Washing basket removed from bathroom and all their dirty washing now in their rooms. Daughter has 48 hours to secure more work. There are local jobs and she has been told to get one

So what happens if she does not get a job within 48 hours?

stomachameleon · 20/01/2024 19:11

@kittensinthekitchen and it's not just financial. Does not being around physically mean he dodges the mental load? If you are a family why can't he address the children and their laziness?

Even if he worked on an oil rig/ army?/ etc they would have time at home. And If it's their home too that you have busted your chumps to save he should be invested... surely?

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 18:55

Isn't downsizing an option OP?

kittensinthekitchen · 20/01/2024 18:43

I don't know why you keep ignoring the point of your husband's contributions to the household?

He's clearly not earning minimum wage with that work schedule, so should be financially contributing handsomely?
You say he's home "every 2-3 months", but not how long for?