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Too hot or too cold?

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mintycake · 15/01/2024 14:16

Went a long dog walk this morning with my partner. It was cold and frosty. By the time we got home I was hot and sweating yes I’m overweight and a bit unfit hence the walking of late. He came in and racked the heating up to 23 and was standing at the radiator. Now the heating had been on before we went out and the house was not cold. I was visibly sweating. I asked can we not have the heating on and turned it to 19. The radiator was hot by this point. This has caused a massive argument he says it always has to be my way. That I am selfish. He just wanted a heat. That I could have went and sat out on the back step if I was hot. Or went to the bedroom and turned the radiator off in there. I have said but the radiator you wanted heat off was hot by the time I turned it down you could still have stood there or put on more layers. I was down to a tshirt and leggings I couldn’t have took more off.

He is still very angry hours later. I just tried to talk to him about it there and was still getting the same response that I’m selfish. I’m quite hurt and upset.

I am interested to know if I was being unreasonable.

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mintycake · 15/01/2024 16:07

AutumnFroglets · 15/01/2024 16:00

Yes we do have bigger problems and almost split before Christmas.
You need to revisit why you wanted to split because this is not to do with the heating at all. Honestly though, he was spoiling for a fight (as noted by him being a twat over the dog lead) and guess what, you had one. You handed him the excuse for it on a golden plate.

The more I think of it the more I think this is completely correct. A couple of days ago we had the same situation yet on that occasion he laughed and I said he could heat his hands on my back as I was like a radiator. He did and we laughed all the more. So I think he was spoiling for a fight and remembered that I wouldn’t want the heat on so would be a good way to start a fight.

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toomuchfaff · 15/01/2024 16:05

mintycake · 15/01/2024 15:50

I have wondered this.

if he is, then all the normal approaches to any given situation go out the window.

Your behaviour (action, approach, reaction) needs to change.

That is if you decide he's worth your effort.

NaughtybutNice77 · 15/01/2024 16:00

This sounds like it about more than the temperature that time. 19 would be lower than most people like it (fine for me) 23 would be a bit higher. You came in hot and sweating, he came in chilly. So neither of you are right or wrong.
I wonder though if you are the sort of person who jumps in all the time with statements like those biscuits arent for eating, you need to sort the garden this weekend, I've put your blue shirt out for tonight...you know, a bit bossy. Maybe he's had enough and thinks Who made you the boss?
Without knowing your history it sounds an over reaction. Tbf though, if he was cold a quick extra blast would have helped and you could have undressed (and showered) and would have cooled down quickly enough. You could have then compromised on 21degrees

AutumnFroglets · 15/01/2024 16:00

Yes we do have bigger problems and almost split before Christmas.
You need to revisit why you wanted to split because this is not to do with the heating at all. Honestly though, he was spoiling for a fight (as noted by him being a twat over the dog lead) and guess what, you had one. You handed him the excuse for it on a golden plate.

mintycake · 15/01/2024 15:50

toomuchfaff · 15/01/2024 15:32

Oh so he also belittles and invalidates your emotions...

"You're crying for nothing...." you were obviously crying because you were emotionally hurt...

Not only did he belittle your emptions, he also shouted after you as you were leaving to belittle your emotions...

Have you considered this man is a narcissist?

Belittle your emotions
Accusation of its your fault
Gaslighting?
Lack of empathy
Manipulate situations to their end
Always a victim

I have wondered this.

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MermaidEyes · 15/01/2024 15:50

mintycake · 15/01/2024 14:28

The house was not cold when I turned the heating down it clicked off at 19 meaning that was the temperature of the house. I wouldn’t consider that cold. Even if I had stood outside for half an hour coming in to a house heated to 23 would have been too warm in my opinion. I know people find different heats comfortable though.

You wouldn't like my house then...😬

ManateeFair · 15/01/2024 15:42

Yeah, this isn't about the heating. You basically just don't like each other.

Watchkeys · 15/01/2024 15:41

mintycake · 15/01/2024 15:06

This was a discussion that we had about happiness. I don’t expect him to make me happy. Just not blow up at me as that is what makes me unhappy. He said I make him happy which is mind boggling as I don’t see that is the case through his behaviour at times.

But he's allowed to do things that make you unhappy. And if he doesn't appear happy to you, that's allowed too. He is allowed to say things that aren't true, and things that don't appear to be true. He can do whatever he likes, as long as it's legal.

If you don't want to be with someone who blows up at you, that's up to you to arrange for yourself. It's not up to someone who blows up to amend their behaviour to suit what you want. Take responsibility for yourself.

toomuchfaff · 15/01/2024 15:32

mintycake · 15/01/2024 14:54

Sometimes I do feel that’s how he behaves but he is 37. I’m sure I don’t help I know I’m not perfect. I am just fed up with bad atmospheres. I try just to say very little. I did cry on my way upstairs through frustration and he shouted after me I was crying for nothing. That it is always him in the wrong.

Oh so he also belittles and invalidates your emotions...

"You're crying for nothing...." you were obviously crying because you were emotionally hurt...

Not only did he belittle your emptions, he also shouted after you as you were leaving to belittle your emotions...

Have you considered this man is a narcissist?

Belittle your emotions
Accusation of its your fault
Gaslighting?
Lack of empathy
Manipulate situations to their end
Always a victim

mintycake · 15/01/2024 15:11

mintycake · 15/01/2024 15:09

Yes I have digressed. He had a tshirt and two jumpers on. Thermal underwear and jeans. I had leggings and a tshirt. We had both walked miles. I am overweight he is not.

To be completely honest I don’t see how he could be as cold as he proclaimed but that’s a me problem and I kept that opinion to myself.

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mintycake · 15/01/2024 15:09

dcsp · 15/01/2024 15:06

Clearly there are wider issues between you than the temperature thing, but I'm not wading in to them, and instead sticking to the temperature disagreement.

In my opinion, where there's a disagreement about temperature, it should come down to how hard it is for each "side" to work around the issues if the decision goes the other way. So:

  • if he's wearing only a t-shirt, he can easily work around being cold by putting on a jumper. So the heating shouldn't be going on.
  • if he's cold despite being wrapped up warm, and you being too hot is only temporary because you've been exercising, then you easily work around that by going outside without your jacket on for 30 seconds. So the heating should be going on

Yes I have digressed. He had a tshirt and two jumpers on. Thermal underwear and jeans. I had leggings and a tshirt. We had both walked miles. I am overweight he is not.

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mintycake · 15/01/2024 15:06

This was a discussion that we had about happiness. I don’t expect him to make me happy. Just not blow up at me as that is what makes me unhappy. He said I make him happy which is mind boggling as I don’t see that is the case through his behaviour at times.

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dcsp · 15/01/2024 15:06

Clearly there are wider issues between you than the temperature thing, but I'm not wading in to them, and instead sticking to the temperature disagreement.

In my opinion, where there's a disagreement about temperature, it should come down to how hard it is for each "side" to work around the issues if the decision goes the other way. So:

  • if he's wearing only a t-shirt, he can easily work around being cold by putting on a jumper. So the heating shouldn't be going on.
  • if he's cold despite being wrapped up warm, and you being too hot is only temporary because you've been exercising, then you easily work around that by going outside without your jacket on for 30 seconds. So the heating should be going on
Watchkeys · 15/01/2024 15:01

That it is always him in the wrong

That's fine if he thinks that, but why would he stay in a relationship where he felt like that?

You are both being treated in ways that make you unhappy, and blaming the other rather than taking responsibility for your own happiness.

Grow up. He wasn't put here to make you happy. You weren't put here to make him happy. Choose company that makes you happy, and walk away from people who don't.

mintycake · 15/01/2024 14:59

Watchkeys · 15/01/2024 14:57

he shouted after me I was crying for nothing

He's belittling your feelings... how can you stay with someone who does this?

I wonder that myself sometimes. Later I’m sure he will be lovely again and things will seem fine. We will get along, laugh and talk. Then it will happen again over something else small and insignificant.

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Fionaville · 15/01/2024 14:59

It's unreasonable that he's still angry hours later. I can honestly say that me and DH can have an argument, then it's forgotten within a few hours at most.
In this situation I wouldn't have thought turning the heating up would have given him the instant 'thaw out' heat that he wanted anyway. I usually put the fire on in the living room and we all sit in there for a bit if we've been out in the cold and need some instant heat. I do think it's unreasonable to turn the heating off if the house still feels cold though.

catelynjane · 15/01/2024 14:58

mintycake · 15/01/2024 14:54

Sometimes I do feel that’s how he behaves but he is 37. I’m sure I don’t help I know I’m not perfect. I am just fed up with bad atmospheres. I try just to say very little. I did cry on my way upstairs through frustration and he shouted after me I was crying for nothing. That it is always him in the wrong.

I think you would be much, much happier without him.

11NigelTufnel · 15/01/2024 14:57

Whatever this argument is about, it's not just the heating. If he had turned it up and you had turned it down without discussing, I would have said you were unreasonable. But you asked, a reasonable basis to start a conversation, and he exploded. The response could have been that he was absolutely freezing, so wanted to keep it on to warm up, without the tantrum. A negotiation that it stays on for half hour, gets changed to 21, you pop out etc were all valid discussion potential.

Watchkeys · 15/01/2024 14:57

he shouted after me I was crying for nothing

He's belittling your feelings... how can you stay with someone who does this?

mintycake · 15/01/2024 14:54

catelynjane · 15/01/2024 14:52

From your update he sounds like a moody teenager.

Sometimes I do feel that’s how he behaves but he is 37. I’m sure I don’t help I know I’m not perfect. I am just fed up with bad atmospheres. I try just to say very little. I did cry on my way upstairs through frustration and he shouted after me I was crying for nothing. That it is always him in the wrong.

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Watchkeys · 15/01/2024 14:52

MummyFriend · 15/01/2024 14:51

YABVU and incredibly selfish. If I've been out in the cold I can feel it all the way to my bones and it causes me a huge amount of pain. I'm not saying he was in any pain, but the point is that it takes a long time to actually warm up through to your core, and just putting on layers is not enough.

So you think that the house should be at the temperature you like, due to your discomfort, regardless of the discomfort of anybody else?

catelynjane · 15/01/2024 14:52

From your update he sounds like a moody teenager.

mintycake · 15/01/2024 14:51

Watchkeys · 15/01/2024 14:48

He has been on good behaviour lately

Like a little boy? Don't you want a relationship with an adult, who behaves like an adult? Don't you want to be an adult?

I guess that sounds bad, I don’t know how to explain it other than good behaviour because to be honest I feel he generally had bad behaviour in the lead up to Christmas. Moody, sulking, silent treatment.

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MummyFriend · 15/01/2024 14:51

YABVU and incredibly selfish. If I've been out in the cold I can feel it all the way to my bones and it causes me a huge amount of pain. I'm not saying he was in any pain, but the point is that it takes a long time to actually warm up through to your core, and just putting on layers is not enough.

Watchkeys · 15/01/2024 14:48

He has been on good behaviour lately

Like a little boy? Don't you want a relationship with an adult, who behaves like an adult? Don't you want to be an adult?