Kyle Walker

I do think it's less morally reprehensible to marry a long term partner in order to protect yourself and your children, than it is to deliberately target a rich man and get pregnant, expecting him to then bankroll you.

I think the other children's situation is different in that they aren't being directly monetised in order to provide income for their mother.

That is an entirely subjective viewpoint.

I’m sure after she had her first child, Kyle’s wife wasn’t losing sleep over her future if she and Kyle broke up.

If they had split then, her income would have been solely from child maintenance too - the same as the OW.

As has been said on this thread, she was really smart to marry him when she did to ensure that she did not simply walk away from the relationship with child maintenance only.

The marriage was strategic in order to secure more income from Kyle than child support. By your logic, that would be morally reprehensible too, right?

If I understood the court papers correctly, she wanted to still receive the nanny money when her child was 18 and off to university. I think she wanted it paid directly to her at that point.

Bad enough to be put up for adoption though?

As someone adopted, who is familiar with the system, it's absolutely not an appropriate or proportionate suggestion based on the circumstances we know.

OK. Still, she knew about it and stayed with him. I'll vilify any woman who stats with a man who thinks women can be bought like objects. All 3 adults are grim.

The court docs are hilarious. I didn’t realise it was essential to have a Louis Vuitton changing bag and the baby needed a constant stream of new toys to keep him stimulated. How do other children manage without these things?

And the idea of an 18 year old boy still having a Nanny! What is she supposed to do with a teenager? Accompany him to Sixth Form parties and follow him into the garden when he pukes from too much vodka Red Bull? Sit next to him on his driving lessons?

And if Lauryn’s health is so bad - she can’t lift the baby out of his high chair, bedridden, sick, exhausted, etc - how and why did she conceive baby number 2?

How was this sick, exhausted, drained, and wracked with pain woman so irresistible to Vyle Walker? Especially after they went head to head in a bitter court dispute over changing bags and security gates.

If I was his wife I’d despair at what a shit judge of character he is, more than anything else.

@Beezknees no he didn't. That was at a flat in Manchester. I don't agree with him doing that obviously but it wasn't at their marital home where his wife was still living

Can't believe how many people on here are still trying to vilify AK for any part in this

My dad was in and out of prison for far worse things. Still if I had been taken away I'd have been devastated. They are very young children who only know their mother.

Not at all. I think monetising the kids for income is what makes things worse for LG's children.

He did. During lockdown. He made a public apology for it. Or "sex workers" if that's the preferred term, but we all know what they were there for.

See, now you're just picking and choosing as to what you think is morally reprehensible or not.

@Beezknees he never brought prostitutes to their home

I think the other children's situation is different in that they aren't being directly monetised in order to provide income for their mother.
I'd be very surprised if AK 'happily' enabled her husband to bring prostitutes into their house. IMHO she should divorce him and keep him as far away as possible from their dc. I don't see how his influence can do any good.

So should Kyle's other kids be removed then as he has no morals and arguably neither does his wife as she's happy to enable their father bringing prostitutes into their home?

People with no morals can't teach them to their children.
I truly don't see how a person can be a good parent when they have no sense of decency themselves. Being a good parent means instilling moral values. How can you do this if you don't seem to have many yourself and your children are your main source of income?
Serious question but do posters really think no harm will come your way these children emotionally from being raised in this environment?

I guess it depends on what you think is better for them in the long run. Time will tell

It's incredibly flippant to say a child would be 'better off adopted' in the circumstances as far as we know them in this instance.

It shows a complete lack of understanding of the adoption process and the effects on all parties involved, especially the children.

Saying that a child entering the care system is preferable to them living with their mother in the circumstances as far as we know them, means you don't have an understanding of all that adoption involves.

I'm not saying you should do, by the way. But I do think you should know that it is indeed a flippant and thoughtless thing to suggest.

I don't dispute that there are issues around adoption. Not least because it's a best fit solution to something having broken.
But I also think there's a tendency to believe a parent is doing a good enough job if children have their basic physical needs met and no one is actively hurting them. But the situation these kids will grow up in is likely to hurt them too imo.

KW had made it clear his dc with his wife are his priority (as much as a person like this is capable of considering anyone's needs beyond his own). He won't see the children he has with LG, so they are already second class citizens to the children of his marriage. And all LG seems concerned with is how much money she can get. Those kids don't appear to be anyone's priority. I think they deserve better than the parents they've been landed with.

Many parents aren't good parents. Mine weren't particularly great. I still would not have wanted to be adopted. That can also be damaging.

I'm not being flippant. I'm not saying SS should sweep them out of there tomorrow, because obviously there are kids in more need. But I don't think she's a good parent. And I do think they'd be better off raised outside of this mess.
All I see is a woman running through other people's money, with no sense of accountability and two children who will have questions about their lives, a father who doesn't want them and a mother who thinks their existence entitles her to vast sums of someone else's cash and a lifestyle she could never afford without them!

Adopted person here.

Children entering the care system in a the circumstances you describe would be ridiculous.

And of huge detriment to them.

'Putting children up for adoption' isn't something that you should flippantly suggest really.

Give over @Vivi0 . Her children can't be 'left out of it' because she's literally monetised them. That's the point of why I think she's unfit to parent!

You can think it's a disgusting thing to say, but it is my opinion that children are not best served in being raised by a woman who is using their existence as a means to rinse their rich father for as much money as she can get!
Being a fit parent is more than housing and feeding them. They are going to grow up and learn the sordid details around their conception, they will read the court documents and they will learn what kind of people their parents are. They will read about their mother borrowing money from her own 80+ year old grandparents, the expectation that KW should pay all her bills just because those children exist, that she expects to be expensively housed, have a new (expensive) car every few years, and generally spend vast amounts of money (that she hasn't earned) purely because she has children.

As you said, that’s your opinion. But it is certainly not what an unfit parent is.

It is batshit crazy to say:

Those kids would be better off being adopted by a family who don't see them as a meal ticket and who won't be bringing gong them up in the shadow of this complete mess.

It’s pretty disgusting to say that, actually. Who are you to say that someone’s children should be taken from them, simply because you don’t like the person.

She isn’t causing her children harm. Slate her all you want, but leave her children out of it.

@Vivi0 it makes her an unfit parent because she's using her children as a means of increasing her own income and lifestyle. She isn't motivated by what is best for her children but by what is most lucrative for her.
That's unfit parenting imo.

Social Services lack of involvement is neither here nor there. They are busy dealing with serious abuse and don't have the resources to intervene where parenting is sub optimal but not directly harmful. Still doesn't make her a good parent though!

How does any of that make her an unfit parent, though?