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Am i raising a brat??

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Mimikyuu · 28/12/2023 18:37

My 10 year old (nearly 11) daughter argues with me all the time. I’m starting to think I’ve gone wrong somewhere or is this just normal for this age?

Example: tonight, she wants me to do her nails for her (I have gel paints and a uv lamp) for a party she’s going to tomorrow. I said yes that’s fine but in order to have time to do this I need to you to help me by tidying the living room while I’m sorting out the toddlers and putting them to bed. Que massive argument because she doesn’t want to do this so I’ve said no nails.

Since learning to cook (she goes to private lessons) she’s become very overly critical of anything I cook (I worked as a chef for a number of years so my cooking isn’t bad at all!). She makes comments about my food while we are eating and I tell her I think he’s being rude and just eat it or leave it.

My husband thinks I’m too soft, but I don’t think I am, I think Im being fair. We both had very strict upbringings, and here he hasn’t been effected by this I have and don’t want to repeat this sort of parenting with my kids.

Im just at a loss because she always such a lovely, pleasant girl and she mostly still is but she has become lazy and demanding recently and it’s making my life difficult. I don’t ask her for much, but I do tell her that as a person who lives in the house, she is also responsible for maintaining it, such as her bedroom and any little jobs I ask her to do.

Does this sound like normal 10 year old girl behavior or do I need to crack down a bit harder? Im on my own most evenings so it’s difficult as the toddlers are a fucking nightmare!

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Ramalangadingdong · 29/12/2023 22:27

Meowandthen · 28/12/2023 20:29

Failing to do anything around the home, as either a child or an adult, is nothing to be proud of.

perhaps She can afford a cleaner.

Calliopespa · 29/12/2023 14:34

Caerulea · 29/12/2023 00:46

@Summasolstice i don't want to argue on this thread tbh. There are very pressing issues with UV cured nail polishes but it isn't the UV, I can assure you.

Well maybe try phrasing it helpfully, not facetiously. As if she is trying to harm her.

Sweetglossy · 29/12/2023 14:30

@Mimikyuu Congrats OP on a nice thread. 😊❤️At least something some of us can relate to, as opposed to the many self-pitying threads where people made wrong choices in life and are now stuck.

As my mother would say, I caused her no bother growing up- true. But even I would struggle at 11 not to comment (aka show off) my cooking skills at home whilst attending clearly well structured cooking lessons. I probably wouldn't do it in a way that would annoy anyone as I was and remain a respectful person. Why not ask her to cook with you, or cook one item or her own meals sometimes? Do you ask her?

I loved reading and would impress my family with my reading skills. I also liked baking, so I liked being asked to bake as somehow I had a flair for baking although I don't like sweet things- my 2 older sis and mum were absolutely good cooks (and the family chef), so they were hesitant to let me cook them bad food, so I wasn't allowed to experiment with cooking much. But I enjoyed every moment when I was able to, especially when it was just me and cousins at the farm.

I cannot comment on nails though as I am proper old fashioned and, won't even have small kids in tights, inner shorts, having tummy out, makeup, lipsticks etc etc. I see people's kids in that, and despair.

Good luck @Mimikyuu . Yes, I hated tidying up 'after my own mess' too, but luckily others were on hand. The irony was, I hate messy places (to this day), so would move myself to the newly tidied area much to my sister's dismay. I did struggle as an adult to keep my place tidy (couldn't employ someone to do it for confidentiality of my also demanding job); so I would ring my eldest sis, almost in tears, for tips and encouragement. Eventually, I learnt to keep each item in its place and use 15 mins each day or so, to do so, as opposed to waiting for the weekend to do a massive tidying up, which also just left me overwhelmed and unable to get started. Also, a colleague in her late 50s once said to me, none likes tidying up, but we all have to do it. It stuck with me. Now my home looks like a show room, as I tidy up as I go. I was lucky my DH has the same standards of tidiness as me, and was encouraged kids would mimic me, and it all worked out well for me. I am quiet and at times reserved too, so was worried about loud kids- I was advised that they would mimic me and they do. :-)

Nomagicflute · 29/12/2023 11:19

Summasolstice · 28/12/2023 22:48

Are you trying to give her skin cancer?

That's mean. Fine to point out a risk but wait do you feed your kid cake? Are you trying to give them diabetes?

Igotagoodcard · 29/12/2023 10:07

Caerulea · 29/12/2023 00:46

@Summasolstice i don't want to argue on this thread tbh. There are very pressing issues with UV cured nail polishes but it isn't the UV, I can assure you.

Are you referring to the possibility of allergies?

Avoidingsleep · 29/12/2023 01:14

Does she get enough 1:1 time with you? Could she be struggling with the amount of time she perceives the toddler gets (obviously they need the time as they need a lot of help).

Children definitely need firm boundaries, but along with this maybe try and organise time every week where the two of you can do something undisturbed by your husband and other children. It might be her way of trying to get your attention.

WavingCatsandDogs · 29/12/2023 01:04

Don't rise to her - no tidying, no nails - no debate.

Don't like the food - don't eat it, her choice - no debate.

Never enter into the debate - thems the rules etc.

Be firm, walk way, get her Dad to re affirm.

Summasolstice · 29/12/2023 00:54

i don't want to argue on this thread tbh. There are very pressing issues with UV cured nail polishes but it isn't the UV, I can assure you

oh I feel totally assured by a random asserting this. Thanks

Caerulea · 29/12/2023 00:46

@Summasolstice i don't want to argue on this thread tbh. There are very pressing issues with UV cured nail polishes but it isn't the UV, I can assure you.

Onceuponaheartache · 29/12/2023 00:31

Hormones. Hormones. Hormones

My dd is 10 and fml she has been an utter shitbag this week. Obnoxiously back chatting. Refusing to do simple tasks I.e clear her presents off my lounge floor and up to her bedroom, has spoken to me like shit on her shoe, had massive meltdowns when something on an arts and crafts thing wasn't going her way etc.

She is shattered after a long and busy school term but honestly the Hormones are an absolute bitch.

She hasn't started her periods yet but judging by the teenage attitude, meltdowns and tears for no reason I am guessing it won't be long.

Top and bottom...its perfectly normal!!!

heyheyheyy · 29/12/2023 00:31

If I’m being really honest, I think you both sound a bit annoying.

in a round about way, she is likely immersing herself in cooking to impress you, and is making these comments to bond with you, and show that she can be an expert in something you’re an expert in too. To me, it all comes across as if she’s seeking your approval but going about it in the wrong way. She’s a child - her social skills aren’t perfect and it seems like she doesn’t know how best to channel her creativity or knowledge and it is coming across as being fussy or critical. It also comes across that she just wants to spend time with you and you’ve knocked her back for the toddlers. The solution likely is spending some one to one time with her uninterrupted and she’ll likely get it out of her system once she feels secure in your relationship

Igotagoodcard · 29/12/2023 00:25

Caerulea · 29/12/2023 00:18

Yes, really. From the study itself -

While this report demonstrates that radiation from UV-nail polish dryers is cytotoxic, genotoxic, and mutagenic, it does not provide direct evidence for an increased cancer risk in human beings.

When you read the study it was done directly on cells, not skin & that's quite important. It was also done over extreme time periods that aren't relevant to real world usage. That's not to say there might not be issues with many many years of use, time will tell. But that study isn't what the headlines said it was, but it did get headlines & that's all a lot of uni's want. In the news article you linked (which DIDN'T link to the study itself) the expert likened the real-world exposure to that of a sunny day, which isn't all that scary, is it.

Yes, most people don’t bother to read the actual research (and I suppose that makes sense- if you don’t have your nails done then it won’t interest you).

As far as worry about uv exposure- people can slap some factor 50 on your hands to be on the safe side.

Summasolstice · 29/12/2023 00:20

@Caerulea argue around it all you want but I don’t believe UV lamps on kids are a good idea if the adults are still debating the safety.

the expert likened the real-world exposure to that of a sunny day, which isn't all that scary, is it. Yes it is, kids are meant to wear sun screen. Doing nails every week is akin to sitting in the sun for a day? Absolutely not cool

Caerulea · 29/12/2023 00:18

Yes, really. From the study itself -

While this report demonstrates that radiation from UV-nail polish dryers is cytotoxic, genotoxic, and mutagenic, it does not provide direct evidence for an increased cancer risk in human beings.

When you read the study it was done directly on cells, not skin & that's quite important. It was also done over extreme time periods that aren't relevant to real world usage. That's not to say there might not be issues with many many years of use, time will tell. But that study isn't what the headlines said it was, but it did get headlines & that's all a lot of uni's want. In the news article you linked (which DIDN'T link to the study itself) the expert likened the real-world exposure to that of a sunny day, which isn't all that scary, is it.

Igotagoodcard · 29/12/2023 00:02

StarlightLime · 28/12/2023 22:20

Wtf?

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Tescos1 · 28/12/2023 23:50

with the cooking , what if shes the next Einstein of cooking ? @Mimikyuu

Caerulea · 28/12/2023 23:44

Summasolstice · 28/12/2023 22:48

Are you trying to give her skin cancer?

From what? The UV lamp? Cos that's really not going to happen

Wishihadanalgorithm · 28/12/2023 23:44

Your DD sounds like mine. I get the eye rolling, the huffs and the grumpiness and anger too. My Dd is not a brat as she hears the word no more than anything else!

OP, I think you are fine and your DD is just hormonal and pushing boundaries.

FarmGirl78 · 28/12/2023 23:43

Mimikyuu · 28/12/2023 18:54

No I’m not going to do her nails, but she is still tidying the living room so win win I guess!

She just has to make comments about everything I cook, I’ve told her it’s unnecessary. Just eat it or leave it.

Just picking up on this here. She's being critical and picky about your cooking and you've told her it's 'unnecessary'. I'm with your husband here. 'Unnecessary' is being soft with her. You need to be telling her what she's doing is rude and out of order, and why is she being nasty to someone who is providing food for her?

From her point of view you're not saying it's untrue or shouldn't be said, you're saying it just wasn't necessary for her to say it. You're not telling her it's WRONG for her to say it. While you're pleased these cookery lessons have given her confidence it sounds like too much confidence perhaps. And she's turning into a cocky little madam.

You're doing her a disservice by using soft arsed phrases. Tell her she's out of order instead.

misssunshine4040 · 28/12/2023 23:18

Mimikyuu · 28/12/2023 18:57

I don’t have time to teach her how to cook, hence the lessons. Plus she gets to cook in a group of kids her age and she enjoys the social element.

Ignore those sarky comments.
Some kids don't want their parents teaching them anything. It's often harder to learn that way too.
Absolutely nothing wrong with cooking lessons

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 28/12/2023 23:16

I wouldn't want to do that housework you assigned her either. She probably had other plans for her time at that precise moment.

Well, OP was clear she needed a hand with the tidying in order to have time to do DD's nails. So it was a clear 'help me and I can help you' situation. Don't make it sound like OP is trying to raise DD to be her cleaner. DD may have had other plans but needed to realise it was time to pitch in and help.

Minfilia · 28/12/2023 23:15

My DD was similar from 9-10. It’s hormones.

She was much more pleasant from 11+ after going through puberty.

Much easier than 17 year old boys, I can assure you weeps and drinks more wine

Tiddingtonplace · 28/12/2023 23:09

You have my sympathies OP, I have 3 daughters: 11, 8 and 7...and Im dreading high school and puberty...so many people with girls have warned me about it.

Calliopespa · 28/12/2023 23:00

Summasolstice · 28/12/2023 22:48

Are you trying to give her skin cancer?

I’m sure that’s her number one priority.