Men using Mumsnet

@Moonshine5 can you please come back and clarify what you meant in your OP about homosexual relationships?

I think any exclusion is abhorrent. Can you imagine someone advocating the exclusion of jews?

From what?

For the overwhelming majority of activities, full inclusion is entirely correct and the norm (so, in the case of MN, parenting is absolutely something parents of both sexes should be actively engaged in).

But it's not 'abhorrent' for people with various protected characteristics to have groups specifically for themselves. Members of a religion shouldn't be forced to admit others to their worship if they don't want to. Black people shouldn't be forced to include white people in all their activities. Groups for gay men or lesbians should be allowed to be exclusively for gay men or lesbians. Single sex sports should be inclusive of that sex only. Etc etc .

The internet is positively heaving with forums where men can find information about relationships with step-children, negotiating the perils of social services when trying to find the best way of caring for elderly parents, supporting their breast-feeding partner, dealing with a child with autism, and so on ad infinitum.

Funny thing is, as soon as they start to search online for that sort of information, Mumsnet is pretty much the top hit...

You’re naive if you think it’s ‘safe’ - MN posts OPs on Facebook! It’s anonymous, so you can post more personal stuff under a nickname, but anyone can see it, you don’t have to be a member to read a thread.
I do agree it’s not a place for ‘incels’, but I would assume these type of posts are deleted.

I confess that I do like the idea about it being a women-only forum but I accept that all are welcome here. As we know we could all be men anyway, including me! (I am not).

What does irritate me is when women post comments like, I asked my Very Important Husband what He thought about this topic and He said…’.

This! Thank you! ❤

I think it would be better for you to turn up there announcing "woman here!" and tell them how much more helpful they would find the group if they had the benefit of your insight "as a woman" tbh.

@Charlize43 I'm not a member, but my local
Church runs a monthly men's breakfast, where men can spend some time together and chat in a male only environment. The men who go find it helpful and therapeutic.

Would you like me to go and tell them it's hateful and abhorrent and they must stop at once?

@Charlize43 Can you please show me some anti men rants?

The feminists with their anti men rants are just as tedious to me as when you come across NF supporters ranting about immigrants.

I think any exclusion is abhorrent. Can you imagine someone advocating the exclusion of jews? Hate is hate and prejudice shouldn't be tolerated.

Well 'us women' have had centuries of being excluded by men, and from far more significant places than an Internet forum, have we nor? A situation that still continues to this day. So, while I might be slightly annoyed if a bunch of men didn't welcome me with open arms to a male centred forum, I'm not sure that given all the other ways in which women are sidelined and indeed, seriously harmed, by men, I'd make it my priority to be 'up in arms' about. It must be lovely to be a man if your idea of 'sexism' is a few women who'd prefer you didn't post on MN.

No anonymous internet forum where you just sign up is going to be a "safe space" against anybody.

You mean if someone said women shouldn't post on Mumsnet?

Well yes. I expect we would.

@Sunnydays1974 "Ive not read every post of this ridiculous thread but just to say if this was the other way round some of us women would be up in arms!"

What do you mean?

Ive not read every post of this ridiculous thread but just to say if this was the other way round some of us women would be up in arms!

Aha!

Its a bit like watching a gang of tigers tear up a wet lettuce.

😂

Sorry, but you have to draw the line somewhere

Your exclusion of fountain pen users is unacceptable and we are going to start our own forum. We have royal patronage you know.

Rabid second wavers? Oh, you mean the ones who did all the actual work.

I completely agree with you; but I'm just saying that a lot of men on MN will be blamed for both mentioning that they are men and not mentioning that they are men!

And then those (who obviously fall into the latter category) who just get on participating as a person and respectfully discussing the topic at hand (the majority of which on here are sex-neutral) with other people - they are assumed simply not to exist, because "You can ALWAYS tell when a poster is a man!"

@VanityDiesHard I honestly don't think you know what a second wave feminist is-particularly if you're talking about separatism.

Yes sex threads and threads about sec work. I can remember one who would pop up every time saying how he had been to lap dancing clubs and chatted with the girls (of course nothing else) and they told him how much they enjoyed their work so that was his argument supporting these places

the girls really enjoyed having a good old natter with nice middle aged men whilst wearing underwear

I find they usually pop up on the sex threads, post themselves because their wives don’t want to have sex with them or asking for gift ideas for their DP/DW. There are probably a few exceptions but frankly I’d happily do without them.

i still don't get what you mean. 2nd wavers literally don't care for gender or sex stereotypes.