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Is this a middle class saying?

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Toblecorleone · 17/12/2023 19:36

Light hearted!

earlier today DH and I took DD to a small petting zoo type place. Not many people there and at one point it was just us and another woman with a girl aged about 3. Woman seemed quite posh, well spoken, both dressed rather posh - the woman was explaining something about guinea pigs to her daughter and then broke off and said “do you want bog?”

The girl said she did so off they went to find the toilets. I was quite suprised by the this phrase from someone who seemed so well spoken but DH says it’s a very middle class saying and he’d have thought “toilet” would have sounded more “common”.

I totally disagree!! Before anyone starts I know it doesn’t matter, I’m just amused by it and interested in how others would perceive this saying?!

YABU - Bog is very middle class
YANBU - bog is common talk

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OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/12/2023 22:56

Shutthefookup · 17/12/2023 22:53

The correct word to use is WC if you are gentry.

Bog, toilet, lavatory, lav, loo, bathroom, restroom etc are all for the middle and lower classes.

I have never heard anyone in the aristocracy use the word WC ever. Certainly not the hereds, I suppose some life peers may even use toilet these days.

They mainly say lavatory in public, and loo, or 'going for a wee/pee' in private.

IDoughnutKnow · 17/12/2023 22:57

Shutthefookup · 17/12/2023 22:53

The correct word to use is WC if you are gentry.

Bog, toilet, lavatory, lav, loo, bathroom, restroom etc are all for the middle and lower classes.

"Loo" crosses the class divide pretty well. "Bathroom" is particularly irritating. I said on another thread that it's on a par with other euphemisms such as "passing away" or "expecting".

IDoughnutKnow · 17/12/2023 22:58

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/12/2023 22:56

I have never heard anyone in the aristocracy use the word WC ever. Certainly not the hereds, I suppose some life peers may even use toilet these days.

They mainly say lavatory in public, and loo, or 'going for a wee/pee' in private.

That is entirely my experience, too.

BIossomtoes · 17/12/2023 23:00

Imagwine · 17/12/2023 22:43

The lack of “the” in the middle upsets me the most. That seems commoner than toilet or bog.

Same. I’ve heard ex public school boys refer to the bog.

Nellieinthebarn · 17/12/2023 23:00

To be truly upper class you say whatever you damn well want with the supreme confidence that if it's coming out of your mouth it must be correct, and anyway who cares what the plebs think. 😂

CagneyAndLazy · 17/12/2023 23:03

Can't believe people are aghast at 'toilet' but talking instead about 'bathroom', 'restroom' and 'washroom'. It is none of those!

I'd frankly rather hear 'bog' than bloody 'bathroom'. 🙄

Anyway, there's only one correct moniker for it...

"Jemima dear, have you seen Pippa?"
"Yea, she's in the traps, Victoria"

😂

PhulNana · 17/12/2023 23:05

marquislafayette · 17/12/2023 21:51

What’s wrong with toilet 😭

Some of the replies seem to suggest toilet= swear word, people saying their kids aren’t allowed to say it?? I’m very confused!

I think Americans can be made uncomfortable by the word 'toilet'. To Brits it's the room, to Yanks it's the actual WC, something like that maybe? To me both are THE LAV.

thegreylady · 17/12/2023 23:06

I grew up in the North East and we always said Lav. I first heard the word toilet when I was about 6 and a cousin used it. Bog is about as common as it gets unless you are student. Students, especially but not always male, always say bog no matter how ‘posh’ they are.

Saschka · 17/12/2023 23:06

Nanaof1 · 17/12/2023 21:40

I use some of the same ones you do, especially rest room. Other than that, I use bathroom. In public, it's usually rest room, if I am trying to be discreet.

To me, bog sounds about the same as "head" and "john". "Head" annoys me as, to me, it seems crass.

Head is the boating/naval term.

I agree it sounds pretty stupid if you are not either referring specifically to the toilets on a boat, or else are a member of the Royal Navy, but it isn’t a grim term in and of itself, any more than “galley” or “cabin” are.

TheAverageJoanne · 17/12/2023 23:07

SecondHandFurniture · 17/12/2023 19:49

I just say to DS "Do you need a wee?"

Or will announce I'm going for a wee myself...

Ha ha I say that too!

Calliopespa · 17/12/2023 23:10

10HailMarys · 17/12/2023 21:26

No.

Yes!!

honeylulu · 17/12/2023 23:11

I was definitely aware as a child that "toilet" was discussed considered common and "loo" and "lavatory" were posh! Interestingly, at my school (small private prep school) we were only allowed to say "toilet".

I'm fairly well spoken but it amuses me to use slang words. Bog is quite common in our house. (Husband is poster than me and went to boarding school.) My teenage son has recently adopted "going to take a Pissington" which is a you tuber's expression I think. Now we all say it.

The most amusing expression I've heard for having a poo is "dropping the kids off at the pool".

I'm easily amused. Maybe one day I shall be a proper grown up.

sunglassesonthetable · 17/12/2023 23:11

Doesn’t matter that she’s 3, you can still talk to her using proper sentences. Yes, for me it’s the omisión of the ‘the’ that gives it (the class) away….

Yeah and you can ALSO speak in baby talk. 🙄🤦‍♀️

I used to look at my not very verbal 3 yr old if he was looking a bit uncomfortable and say " go loo ?"

And yea I also spoke to him in proper sentences. Well, he managed to learn to talk along the way.

Shutthefookup · 17/12/2023 23:14

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/12/2023 22:56

I have never heard anyone in the aristocracy use the word WC ever. Certainly not the hereds, I suppose some life peers may even use toilet these days.

They mainly say lavatory in public, and loo, or 'going for a wee/pee' in private.

I beg to differ.

Calliopespa · 17/12/2023 23:17

fishfingersandtoes · 17/12/2023 20:16

I grew up with 'going to the bog' and I was very working class. I think sometimes wc and posh have crossovers in language and also don't bother defending the boundaries as much as mc people perhaps do.

That’s pretty much it. It’s an absence of affectation. That’s why Mitford had a “downer” on french words: because it’s fine for French speakers to speak French but if you are trying to posh-up your English with it it becomes affected. If you know you’re posh you don’t need to try that hard .

ProBonoPublico · 17/12/2023 23:18

I’m not sure how I ended up here – somehow via Google – but as it appears that I’m the only man contributing to this thread I’m frankly horrified by the level of petty snobbery and insecurity displayed by so many posters, especially those who are so anxious to sneak in the fact that they went to boarding school, or that they regularly associate with what they would no doubt term the upper classes.

The one theme that runs through the dozens of messages I’ve read (which is only about half the thread) is the tragic sense of status anxiety, and the barely subdued desperation about how the various posters see themselves as perceived by others.

It’s as though feminism never happened - the thread might have been written in 1923.

GinAndJuice99 · 17/12/2023 23:22

It probably started out as a working class word but it transcended. In the 70s and 80s it was absolutely ubiquitous in schools up and down the country, no matter how common or posh. Then same at universities, often said in a kind of ironic tone. But I think it's probably been on the wane since, hence some of the confusion on this thread.

Calliopespa · 17/12/2023 23:22

Shutthefookup · 17/12/2023 22:53

The correct word to use is WC if you are gentry.

Bog, toilet, lavatory, lav, loo, bathroom, restroom etc are all for the middle and lower classes.

Disagree. Loo is best.

sunglassesonthetable · 17/12/2023 23:23

*I’m not sure how I ended up here – somehow via Google – but as it appears that I’m the only man contributing to this thread I’m frankly horrified by the level of petty snobbery and insecurity displayed by so many posters, especially those who are so anxious to sneak in the fact that they went to boarding school, or that they regularly associate with what they would no doubt term the upper classes.

The one theme that runs through the dozens of messages I’ve read (which is only about half the thread) is the tragic sense of status anxiety, and the barely subdued desperation about how the various posters see themselves as perceived by others.

It’s as though feminism never happened - the thread might have been written in 1923.*

YAWN

sunglassesonthetable · 17/12/2023 23:23

And how do you know you're the only bloke?

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 17/12/2023 23:24

GinAndJuice99 · 17/12/2023 23:22

It probably started out as a working class word but it transcended. In the 70s and 80s it was absolutely ubiquitous in schools up and down the country, no matter how common or posh. Then same at universities, often said in a kind of ironic tone. But I think it's probably been on the wane since, hence some of the confusion on this thread.

Yes, exactly that.

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 17/12/2023 23:24

Pelham678 · 17/12/2023 22:40

Yes, it's weird that. I wince at belly or pee but am fine with tummy/stomach and wee. No idea why.

Me too. For some reason, my mum has instilled a subsequent sense of cringing when I hear the words "belly" or "pee", but not "tummy" or "wee". And just as she has made me feel it's not quite "right" to use these words, I am inflicting this upon my poor DC too. Buy of course, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the words "belly" and "pee" per se, it's just for some reason, they seem more "common".

Of course,this is all totally subjective. I know my DM considers herself middle class and would probably be horrified if I said "My belly hurts, maybe I need to try and find a bog to be able to pee!" 😅😉

I'm easy-going when it comes to language but upbringing has definitely had a great impact on what I feel is "acceptable".

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 17/12/2023 23:25

*but not buy

Sorry for the typos 😅

Calliopespa · 17/12/2023 23:25

ProBonoPublico · 17/12/2023 23:18

I’m not sure how I ended up here – somehow via Google – but as it appears that I’m the only man contributing to this thread I’m frankly horrified by the level of petty snobbery and insecurity displayed by so many posters, especially those who are so anxious to sneak in the fact that they went to boarding school, or that they regularly associate with what they would no doubt term the upper classes.

The one theme that runs through the dozens of messages I’ve read (which is only about half the thread) is the tragic sense of status anxiety, and the barely subdued desperation about how the various posters see themselves as perceived by others.

It’s as though feminism never happened - the thread might have been written in 1923.

Feel free to leave us to it. We all like a bit of toilet talk. Or loo talk. Or bog talk.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 17/12/2023 23:27

sunglassesonthetable · 17/12/2023 23:23

*I’m not sure how I ended up here – somehow via Google – but as it appears that I’m the only man contributing to this thread I’m frankly horrified by the level of petty snobbery and insecurity displayed by so many posters, especially those who are so anxious to sneak in the fact that they went to boarding school, or that they regularly associate with what they would no doubt term the upper classes.

The one theme that runs through the dozens of messages I’ve read (which is only about half the thread) is the tragic sense of status anxiety, and the barely subdued desperation about how the various posters see themselves as perceived by others.

It’s as though feminism never happened - the thread might have been written in 1923.*

YAWN

I've no idea if you're the only man and this really hasn't anything to do with feminism but I agree with you about the desperation by some posters to tell us they went to private girls' schools, used the word "bog" and swore like troopers.