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Is this a middle class saying?

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Toblecorleone · 17/12/2023 19:36

Light hearted!

earlier today DH and I took DD to a small petting zoo type place. Not many people there and at one point it was just us and another woman with a girl aged about 3. Woman seemed quite posh, well spoken, both dressed rather posh - the woman was explaining something about guinea pigs to her daughter and then broke off and said “do you want bog?”

The girl said she did so off they went to find the toilets. I was quite suprised by the this phrase from someone who seemed so well spoken but DH says it’s a very middle class saying and he’d have thought “toilet” would have sounded more “common”.

I totally disagree!! Before anyone starts I know it doesn’t matter, I’m just amused by it and interested in how others would perceive this saying?!

YABU - Bog is very middle class
YANBU - bog is common talk

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MaggieBroonofGlebeSt · 17/12/2023 21:53

Yes bog can be very upper middle class. My parents would talk about bog and so would real upper class people I've met. It's the kind of 'I'm not a lower middle class person who uses twee words like toilet'. Some poshos can be very crude/vulgar in the way they talk.

Mind you I don't think anyone cares about all that stuff now apart from people of my parents age. And to be fair my parents don't care either; they just happen to use the more 'smart' (posh people don't say 'posh' 😀) words normally.

theduchessofspork · 17/12/2023 21:53

loo is standard middle class
Toilet is generally regarded as WC/LMC

Bog is the sort of thing you generally hear in a public school, so I see where your husband is coming from - it’s an unusual thing to say to a small child though! I’m guessing she was a little eccentric.

Alliwantforchristmasisbooooze · 17/12/2023 21:53

What does everyone say instead of pardon then?

MrsMacGyver · 17/12/2023 21:54

Lavatory still in use where I live! Does sound very old school though. 😊

Thepeopleversuswork · 17/12/2023 21:54

@marquislafayette

Some of the replies seem to suggest toilet= swear word, people saying their kids aren’t allowed to say it?? I’m very confused!

It wasn't forbidden because it was a swear word. It's because using it marks you out as lower middle class. It's all nonsense but for a certain sort of English person it's better to sound rude than sound lower middle class.

People get very hung up on whether its rude but the rudeness isn't the point. It's the class marker that matters (not to me but to the sort of people who care about this).

Astrak · 17/12/2023 21:55

In this context, the word "heads" is, as noted above, a Navy term. I use " lavatory" myself.
I'm very posh . . .

theduchessofspork · 17/12/2023 21:55

Toblecorleone · 17/12/2023 19:42

So are we saying bog is posher than toilet?

yes

It’s a public schooly thing to say though, more than a home thing

Thepeopleversuswork · 17/12/2023 21:55

Alliwantforchristmasisbooooze · 17/12/2023 21:53

What does everyone say instead of pardon then?

What? (if its someone you know well). Otherwise sorry? or say again?

NonPlayerCharacter · 17/12/2023 21:55

You won't actually change your socioeconomic background by using different words, and nobody who likes you for you and is worth knowing will give a shit anyway. Why do people care about this? Why is MN so obsessed?

theduchessofspork · 17/12/2023 21:56

Alliwantforchristmasisbooooze · 17/12/2023 21:53

What does everyone say instead of pardon then?

Sorry?, what? or I beg your pardon?

Sorry used to be a bit less smart than the other two but IBYP is a bit archaic now

Thepeopleversuswork · 17/12/2023 22:00

NonPlayerCharacter · 17/12/2023 21:55

You won't actually change your socioeconomic background by using different words, and nobody who likes you for you and is worth knowing will give a shit anyway. Why do people care about this? Why is MN so obsessed?

You are absolutely right and its ridiculous to care about this sort of thing.

On the other hand it's interesting because of what it tells you about the English class system and its utter lack of logic.

Also it has to be said there's a certain irony in people drumming into their kids that they need to use words which they think are more "polite" (eg "toilet" and "pardon") and clutching their pearls about the use of the word "bog" (as a couple of people have on here) when in fact the sorts of people they aspire to be like would find "toilet" more offensive than "bog".

It's fairly ridiculous to be so fastidious about the word "bog" that you go off on one about how disgusting it is.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/12/2023 22:03

Alliwantforchristmasisbooooze · 17/12/2023 21:53

What does everyone say instead of pardon then?

I'd say "what?"

DD says "what" at home, but will generally say "sorry?" at school. I may have lost the fight on 'toilet' but 'pardon' is like nails on a chalk board.

Thepeopleversuswork · 17/12/2023 22:04

@OhCrumbsWhereNow

I may have lost the fight on 'toilet' but 'pardon' is like nails on a chalk board.

I couldn't care less about toilet but I agree about pardon. It's horrendously twee.

Walkaround · 17/12/2023 22:05

I normally use the word toilet, because everyone knows what it means, public signs in England almost always direct you to the toilet, not “bog, “loo,” “lavatory,” or “bathroom,” and normally not “WC,” and I’m not going to waste my time being a pretentious twat.

DissidentDaughter · 17/12/2023 22:06

It’s all about coded language, signifier words/terms. Tbh it’s a load of cobblers.

Spaghettieis · 17/12/2023 22:07

Alliwantforchristmasisbooooze · 17/12/2023 21:53

What does everyone say instead of pardon then?

I say what but I don’t have an allergic reaction to people saying pardon, it’s just not a word I would think to use. Nor do I think people saying toilet it anything to get worked up about.

Toblecorleone · 17/12/2023 22:08

BarelyCoping123 · 17/12/2023 21:52

No, no one is saying this! The opposite! Bog is the lowest form of reference

And never mind class - "do you want bog" sounds like a caveperson speaking

😂😂 caveperson 🤣

I’m just quoting her exact words, she actually said “do you want bog?”

it surprised me because before this she sounded so well spoken

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Hotchocolateand5marshmellows · 17/12/2023 22:08

Missing out "the" from a sentence combined with the word bog I'd assume Northern working class, not in a judgemental way at all though.

Headshoulderscheeseontoast · 17/12/2023 22:11

The only people I've ever heard say 'use the bog' are men on construction sites

chaosmaker · 17/12/2023 22:13

Any word will do when you actually need to go. Something we all need whatever 'class' we fall into.

TommyNever · 17/12/2023 22:14

marquislafayette · 17/12/2023 21:48

Okay I am genuinely really surprised at people saying ‘toilet’ is rude and they would never say it. I always say it!

Toilet isn't rude at all, it's the standard term in most English-speaking countries. It's only in sad old England that it has supposed "class" connotations.

In contrast, loo and bog are regarded as slang in most places, while lavatory is a (needlessly) genteel euphemism, like washroom or restroom.

GonksAreNotJustForChristmas · 17/12/2023 22:14

Quitelikeit · 17/12/2023 20:24

What a lot of nonsense on this thread.

I'm confused that toilet is a bad word.

SunnySideDownUp · 17/12/2023 22:15

Always 'loo' along with 'sofa' 'napkins'. Bogs was for the school loos only.

Never ever ever 'toilet'

Marjoribanks · 17/12/2023 22:15

'Bog' is a public school term used between peers, because it's counter-cultural; an affectation of smart kids pretending not to be- the verbal equivalent of a mullet.It's a little more unexpected to hear it from a parent to a young child. At my DS's prep school the approved terms is to 'go round the corner' as in ' I'm just going round the corner'. 'Going for a pee' is also OK.

DramaAlpaca · 17/12/2023 22:16

Here in Ireland my adult sons announce they're going 'to take a piss' Shock

I'm English and middle class and I pretend they're not related to me. I say I'm going to the loo or for a wee. I wouldn't say bog.