Would of/could of/should of

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Yet your post implies something other than what you imagine

Another one looking for an argument, what's wrong with you?

YANBU.

Yet your post implies something other than what you imagine.

Google 'comma splice', then please strive to avoid teaching this glaring error in your job as a TEFL teacher.

I've even seen "1980's" though so who knows the reasoning there.

That could be correct though, what was the rest of the phrase?

@SoreAndTired1

Time to pressure Education Departments in England to bring proper English back to the curriculum.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on that. Standards of English have slipped and I am sure that much of it is to do with social media - as pps have already noted. However, the word gotten became obsolete in England 300 years ago. It is still used in Canada and America as their language was isolated at that point in time. It is the equivalent of saying "see you on the morrow" instead of using the word tomorrow. Perhaps I should tell the Department of Education to include that as well.

I've recently been seeing a lot of "60's, 70's, 80's" etc. on FB which I am finding increasingly irritating.

I assume it's because people know there's an apostrophe in there and automatically put it before the s (making a plural into a possessive - a very common mistake actually) rather than putting in place of the missing characters. '70s '80s etc.

I've even seen "1980's" though so who knows the reasoning there.

They do not read books or other printed materials.

Instead, they read each other's posts on SM, along with very poorly captioned reels, etc. They absorb the ubiquitous mistakes and in turn spread the poor spelling and grammar themselves.

I suspect they never had correct contractions drilled into them, or proper use of its and it's, or there, their, and they're, or how to use an apostrophe for the possessive case. But the big problem is lack of reading.

@TrishTrix I forget that other places don't use 'outwith'. I find is so odd (to realise that) 'cos I use it all the time!
I'm rather intrigued about what your job is. Trying to decide what role would require others to write up your work. Doctor? Journalist? Writer? I'm just being nosey really!

Ooh but there's another one! Nosey. Why does the y not replace the e? Or is it nosy? My autocorrect's letting me use both. That's me heading down another spelling rabbit hole 🕳️ 🐇

I think I write well. I certainly understand spelling and grammar. I often make errors on here though because I type on my phone and it's harder to spot mistakes. I really should use the preview button more but I'm normally in a hurry.

However at work I suffer the indignity of having my well written documents hashed about by someone I suspect really struggled to get GCSE English. It's really painful to see basic grammatical errors inserted.

However, some of the stuff highlighted on here is regional variation and mocking it is, I think a bit insensitive. Oh and outwith is the best word in the world!

We know.

I can’t think of any irregular verbified nouns off the top of my head

Drink is an irregular verbified noun.

Edit - and sleep.

Go back 25 years and thickos didn't have the same opportunities to publish/broadcast their ignorance, so it went relatively unnoticed.

Let's not use the word thickos for people with literacy problems (or at all, frankly)

But broadly, yes, I think that the less literate weren't as noticeable until social media came along. As a teacher though, I have seen a significant deterioration in SPAG in many younger colleagues, so there has to be another reason for that.

Yes and it’s definitely a case of people seeing incorrect spelling and grammar all the time on social media compounding the problem. I feel like I see the incorrect use of your/you’re and there/their/they’re more often than the correct one, to the point where I’m starting to check that I’m using it correctly! I need to stay away from the fb page for local mums.

Then England is in the wrong for not teaching the word gotten. It is correct English and England is behind and lowering their standards by abandoning proper English. Time to pressure Education Departments in England to bring proper English back to the curriculum. The word gotten is correct, and England is wrong for not teaching that.

I know gotten is used in Australia, in New Zealand and in Canada, as well as America. Basically it is used everywhere in the English-speaking world bar the UK. It is the proper correct English. I don't understand why the UK no longer use the proper term. Yet say 'whilst' for while. Whilst sounds so primative, like doust or doest or something.

I find a lot of English terms aggravating, most of all when someone says "I am sat", or "I was sat". Same with "I was stood", "I am stood". Has the word SITTING and the word STANDING gone out of UK usage along with gotten? What is that about? I am sat doesn't look right or even sound right said out loud. It sounds like bad broken English. To be so old fashioned/Shakespearean that you use 'whilst' but then say I am stood or I am sat, often in the same post, is so absolutely contradictory, it really jars. It's like going 0-1000 from super-posh to really badly mangled English.

Indeed.

Go back 25 years and thickos didn't have the same opportunities to publish/broadcast their ignorance, so it went relatively unnoticed.

The internet and social media has changed all that.

Exactly - it's a common misapprehension.

Here in NI slagging off either use of the letter H would be seen as sectarian and get you in hot water with HR if you did it in the workplace.

You too! Cheerio!

I think you've become consumed by me. Such an odd amount of concern towards someone you don't even know is telling. Have a good day.

You're being classically defensive, and I understand that, and I'm sorry if I upset you. But your post annoyed me, and I'll try to explain why. You argued with another poster that lack of education and opportunities doesn't equal poor grammar etc. Which shows quite a lack of understanding of the many challenges that many people face. You then highlighted that your own excellent grammar was a result of your endless reading. However the grammar in your post was incorrect (and not in a subtle way either, and no, they weren't typos). I just hope that this may give you pause for thought, and help you to think a little about the struggles other people may have gone through.

Try to rise up to an interesting debate, even if your post has been criticised, without accusing people of needing a punchbag.

I pronounce that coulda woulda shoulda!

100% correct!

To text is a verbified noun, and is a „modern“ verb with no old english etymology. I can’t think of any irregular verbified nouns off the top of my head.

I text, she texts, they text…
I texted, she texted, they texted…

I think the sloppiness comes because it ends with a sound which mimics „-ed“ and those remedials who use „text“ as a past participle think it is one just because it sounds like one.

Round them up and into the sea with them.