To agree with Nigel Farage?

The rooms are not locked - from the outside

At 3am?

The rooms are not locked - there's a TV room etc.

At 3am?

I reckon if I was incarcerated in a cell

There are coaches into town every day.

Exactly @Anisette.

The doctor on board the Bibby Stockholm (not the man who died) was reported to have been 'screaming at 3am' and has 'had some conflicts with security guys and the management' - why do you think he should walk into to a job with the NHS?

Who knows what provocation has caused those “conflicts”. I reckon if I was incarcerated in a cell on the Bibby Stockholm I’d be screaming too.

“Allowing asylum seekers the right to work sooner would undermine our wider economic migration policy by enabling migrants to bypass work visa rules,” the spokesperson said.

But that's no answer, is it? Just saying "the rules are the rules" isn't any sort of justification. If the rules aren't sensible, they need to be adjusted.

BIossomtoes
The fact still remains that we have a doctor incarcerated with all his skills and training going to waste concurrently with a crisis in the NHS

The doctor on board the Bibby Stockholm (not the man who died) was reported to have been 'screaming at 3am' and has 'had some conflicts with security guys and the management' - why do you think he should walk into to a job with the NHS?

I know how much you like proof Clav

Proof of what though?

The doctor in the main photograph was actually refused asylum at the end of August this year - he is appealing (read elsewhere). It sounds as though he left the Devon hospital he was working at after a few months under a cloud (he mentions a complaint against him he claims was frivolous). His father and brother live in the UAE and his wife is in Egypt - is there any reason he can't join them? Another doctor in your link has had her asylum appeal 'refused multiple times'.

Why in the world aren’t we doing a skills inventory of those people, fast tracking the processing of the claims of doctors and nurses and putting them to work in the NHS and paying tax?

From your link;

“Allowing asylum seekers the right to work sooner would undermine our wider economic migration policy by enabling migrants to bypass work visa rules,” the spokesperson said.

“Asylum seekers can take up jobs on the shortage occupation list if their claim has been outstanding for 12 months or more, through no fault of their own.”

I know how much you like proof Clav

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/09/trained-medics-who-could-ease-nhs-crisis-stuck-in-asylum-limbo

The fact still remains that we have a doctor incarcerated with all his skills and training going to waste concurrently with a crisis in the NHS. Why in the world aren’t we doing a skills inventory of those people, fast tracking the processing of the claims of doctors and nurses and putting them to work in the NHS and paying tax? It’s utter madness when we have skills shortages to just let skilled people rot.

Asiatoyork
the regulator concluded it was all above board I thought?

FCA investigation appears to be ongoing - the previous report was commissioned by NatWest -

https://www.amlintelligence.com/2023/10/news-britains-fca-set-to-go-into-natwest-to-interview-staff-in-formal-review-of-group-over-farage-de-banking-controversy/

Looks like Farage is taking legal action as well -

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/11/nigel-farage-to-take-legal-action-against-natwest-over-closure-of-bank-accounts

BIossomtoes
The asylum seeker who committed suicide yesterday was a doctor

No, he wasn't - wrongly named;
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-died-bibby-stockholm-named-103317400.html

No clouds allowed - That's part of the problem though, it depends on what the 'British people who don't want to do these jobs' are doing. If they are on benefits because they get more that way than earning the minimum wage then that is wrong and the welfare system needs a complete overhaul. It is ridiculous to have immigrants coming in to do those jobs when there are enough people here already who could do them. We don't have enough houses for a start, and it's not as easy as saying just build more, the money has to be found somewhere, plus it has a knock on effect on schools, the NHS etc.

Yes it's awful

I meant the carers are playing a more essential role than in hospitality.

Why? Because an immigrant is good enough to wipe your arse but not to serve your meal? The asylum seeker who committed suicide yesterday was a doctor, we have a huge shortage of those but the best thing we could think of to do with him was to incarcerate him. This country is insane.

I found myself agreeing with Michael Gove once. Really disturbing experience. But even a broken clock is right twice a day.

I agree about the carers but not so much about hospitality

We need to be improving things for the young people already here so they can work in these positions but still be able to have a family and affordable housing

This is what should have been happening in the first place not this continuous flow of people from abroad for about 30 years'

You want the elderly to go without care, hospitality to be shit, food to rot in fields? There are not enough British people willing to do these jobs.

I hate Nigel Farage for his stance on many issues but the Coutts Bank fiasco really showed why you need people like him

Apart the regulator concluded it was all above board I thought?

I hate Nigel Farage for his stance on many issues but the Coutts Bank fiasco really showed why you need people like him.

No we don't

In the UK the birth rate is falling, as fewer babies are being born here, but the overall population is increasing due to immigration.

And people living longer. A big ?The main? driver is people failing to die as young as they used to.

I agree completely. We certainly don't want immigrants caring for the elderly helping in the health service , keeping our restaurants and hotels going or picking the food in our fields

If they did we might all be living a better life.

@Sausagenbacon you appear to have missed off the part of my post where I also said some very bright people but with a populist agenda. If you don't think there are plenty of poorly educated people believing 100% what GB news tells them then you need to watch a few more vox pops, question Times etc.i find very very few people in the middle socio economically watch GB news- and yes I do understand why some people want to think that it is 'bang on' and has all the answers- there are a lot of angry people out there-but in my opinion are wanting to listen to people feeding back their own thoughts to them when in many cases they offer zero solutions either- other than banging on about immigration. I would also say the same by the way about people on the far left slavishly thinking just putting more money into this and that would solve certain things. These are complex issues involving people and mindsets and are not solved by straight ideology.

@anotherside I don't disagree to some extent , however some of those who can't seem to get into their heads that Corbyn lost 2 elections appear to think that anyone who doesn't support Corbyn is a total Tory. I'm definitely not and I think some very good things did come in under Blair and Brown too - but many of them are too young to remember. The fact is you can't vote for your particular Labour flavour as it stands - so you either go with something that's certainly not Tory or you let the Tory's back in through the back door and remain a protest party - I didn't take issue with labours policies in 2019- I felt right policies in the main- wrong person getting them over to appeal to the masses .

@Crikeyalmighty
“rabid corbynistas”

Corbyn was a poor leader, but the vast majority of his ideas were (at least what used to be) bog standard left wing Labour. Of course people are free to disagree with his ideas, but without traditional Labour ideals we’d have never had stuff like the trade unions, minimum wage or before it the NHS. Those are ideas that come from the actual left - in recent years represented by leaders like John Smith, Corbyn, arguably Ed Miliband. The historical versions of the centre/centre left like Blair and Starmer would never have been radical enough to champion them.