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Nursery and 'Assertive DD' Comments

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DontGoGran · 06/12/2023 21:13

The last two days when we have picked up DD(2) from Nursery the staff have made comments such as:

"She's 'head of the room' now"
"She's very assertive"
"We've had to tell her to use kind words"
"She seems much more... confident..."

DD does have a lot of language, it seems to have exploded recently, and nursery have basically said that they've had to tell her to use kind words because she's told other children what dressing up clothes to wear or to come and play with her without saying please, and had been telling rather than asking. DD apparently said "A, you wear this dress, you a princess" and "N you have this bag, play with me", as an example.

By the by, I am not saying she is some wonder-child by commenting on her language skills, but we have been told that language wise she is far more similar to children who are 3+ and DH feels this is partly why she's being described in this way by the staff. (It's clearly walking or talking for her though, as she still can't jump properly and is terrified of swings, so definitely 'just' an 'ordinary' little girl!)

I feel like they, in a 'coded' way, are telling us that they disapprove of her behaviour and she's being a bit bossy so they're telling us to do something about it, but DH thinks there's nothing wrong with the way they're describing her, and she probably is 'head of the room' because she has so much language that she can direct others as to what she wants.

I can't decide whether I'm being overly emotional because I'm due our second baby in the next few weeks, or whether Nursery are suggesting I have a bit of a bossy boots on my hands and I need to do something about it?

AIBU and I should just leave it, and I'm being a bit PFB, or am I justified in feeling a bit sensitive about their comments?

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AmyDudley · 07/12/2023 21:00

It sounds as if she is at a perfectly normal stage of play development for her age whilst being advanced in her language skills - good for her, she sounds lovely and not 'bratty' at all (what a vile thing to say about a toddler who is learning social interaction).
It isn't bossy to have an idea for a game and to try to get other children to play by handing out the resources, it is imaginative and proactive.

Does she know what the staff at nursery mean by 'kind words' have they explained it? Sounds a bit vague to me, why don't they say 'remember to say please when you ask for a toy darling' if she forgets ? And however well you have taught her, in the excitement of seeing the toys and wanting to play she will forget sometimes. Adults forget sometimes for goodness sake, and your little one is only two.

Maray1967 · 07/12/2023 20:42

OhNoForever · 06/12/2023 23:07

It's the beginning of her female socialisation. I noticed with my dd nursery were far more quick to pull her up on things my ds would have got away with. Being a bit rowdy, not being polite etc etc. This is how as a society we make nice compliant women.

Yes, agreed. I thought one of mine (boys) was a bit bossy but no staff ever said anything whereas they did to a mum of a girl.

PokeAndyInTheEye · 07/12/2023 20:40

Nimmop · 07/12/2023 20:38

A two year old does not have the cognitive ability to be a bully. That's ridiculous.

No but definitely has the potential to turn into one if it’s not managed.

Nimmop · 07/12/2023 20:38

tomatoontoast · 07/12/2023 14:42

I would take that language to mean she's a bit of a bully tbh.

A two year old does not have the cognitive ability to be a bully. That's ridiculous.

PokeAndyInTheEye · 07/12/2023 20:29

I dare say it will sort itself out when she gets to school and the other kids get fed up of being bossed around.

tomatoontoast · 07/12/2023 14:42

I would take that language to mean she's a bit of a bully tbh.

FortunataTagnips · 07/12/2023 14:25

She sounds absolutely adorable, and just doing what happy toddlers do.

Speedweed · 07/12/2023 14:13

If you think about it, toddlers are always being told something (put your coat on, come over here, stop doing that etc), so if they have good language, it will reflect how they are spoken to, which is confidently by adults. I don't think anything can be done about that, it's just how it is for a while.

But there's nothing wrong with girls being assertive!

rosed1008 · 07/12/2023 13:56

My daughter was exactly the same! Her language was way beyond her age (I only realise that now I have had a second and they are nowhere near her capabilities at the same age) and often I would get "oh she knows her own mind" and assertive comments. I often wondered whether boys get similar comments....

Anyway she is now 4 and her abilities to share and take turns have caught up with her language and she is a delight now. Also having a younger sibling has helped I think. She has also thrived at school in a more structured environment with procedures and rules etc. I have never minded her being assertive, she knows what she wants to do and I love that - it is our job as parents to manage her expectations and remind her of manners I think!

skkyelark · 07/12/2023 13:49

DontGoGran · 07/12/2023 12:39

Yes I think the bossy label is what's made me feel a bit upset. I know they didn't outright say bossy but it's the potential implication that maybe because she's an 'assertive' girl she should be socially conditioned into being submissive and quiet as she was before.

It was only a few weeks ago they were telling me how shy she was and that they had to really encourage her to play with the other children, now it seems like they've encouraged her, she's become more confident and they don't like it!

It might not be that they don't like it – it might simply be that they are a bit surprised at what sounds like quite a big shift in personality quite quickly, and it's getting expressed a bit awkwardly.

DD1's language developed early, and she can talk for Scotland, but she takes a little while to warm up to someone. A few weeks after she moved to the 2-3 room at nursery, I can remember her new keyworker making a couple of 'wow, DD1 can talk, can't she?' comments. She wasn't being critical, she was just surprised at the sudden swing from an almost silent little girl to one having full conversations. We were lucky that the first such comment was part of a longer meeting, and she mentioned the sudden change from quiet to chatty and was very positive about DD1's language and developing collaborative play and supporting that, so it was clear what the bigger picture was. At a quick handover chat, it could easily have sounded negative, though.

What's your overall feel on the nursery? Do you feel like they know your daughter as an individual and care about helping her develop? Perhaps ask for a wee chat about it so you can get a better sense of what they're thinking and if there's anything you should be doing to help her.

I would also echo many PPs that it sounds quite par for the course with two-year-olds. If they say that she's needing reminding to let other children make their own decisions or whatever, I wouldn't be bothered so long as they see it as a perfectly normal part of development, all perfectly routine to need to help a toddler find the balance between leading and being overbearing.

LightDrizzle · 07/12/2023 13:41

I think you are right and your husband is wrong. She needs encouragement to take turns and let others make choices sometimes. You could model how to make suggestions to people as opposed to giving orders “You could be a pirate!” as opposed to “You be a pirate!” etc. She’s only two and if she has more language than her peers, of course she’s going exploit it to rule the world! She’ll be fine.

DontGoGran · 07/12/2023 13:36

Chipsahoyagain · 07/12/2023 13:16

I think this too. Bossy isn't cute. I've seen kids speak like this and they have no clue how bratty and bossy they are because no one told or corrected them. They are telling you literally that she needs to use kind words. How much more of a hint do you need??

They say 'kind words' in the same context as 'kind hands' IYSWIM, so whilst I appreciate what you're saying I don't think she's being particularly 'bratty'?

She might need some encouragement and support to remember to say please and thank you, and to learn how to be kind and gentle, but I'm not sure you can say a 2 year old is a brat? She's so little still.

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MiddleParking · 07/12/2023 13:22

Chipsahoyagain · 07/12/2023 13:16

I think this too. Bossy isn't cute. I've seen kids speak like this and they have no clue how bratty and bossy they are because no one told or corrected them. They are telling you literally that she needs to use kind words. How much more of a hint do you need??

Do you just not know what two year olds are?

Chipsahoyagain · 07/12/2023 13:16

craigth162 · 06/12/2023 22:51

Sounds like they want you to have word with her before she turns into a brat

I think this too. Bossy isn't cute. I've seen kids speak like this and they have no clue how bratty and bossy they are because no one told or corrected them. They are telling you literally that she needs to use kind words. How much more of a hint do you need??

Leah5678 · 07/12/2023 12:39

She's only 2, as others have said we aren't born knowing how to behave perfectly. She will learn

DontGoGran · 07/12/2023 12:39

CalistoNoSolo · 07/12/2023 12:01

I loathe the word 'bossy' it's so negative when used to describe women and girls. It's really hard to tell if your DD's behaviour is going to upset the other children, but tbh, it's the nursery workers job to intervene if this happens.

Yes I think the bossy label is what's made me feel a bit upset. I know they didn't outright say bossy but it's the potential implication that maybe because she's an 'assertive' girl she should be socially conditioned into being submissive and quiet as she was before.

It was only a few weeks ago they were telling me how shy she was and that they had to really encourage her to play with the other children, now it seems like they've encouraged her, she's become more confident and they don't like it!

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CalistoNoSolo · 07/12/2023 12:01

I loathe the word 'bossy' it's so negative when used to describe women and girls. It's really hard to tell if your DD's behaviour is going to upset the other children, but tbh, it's the nursery workers job to intervene if this happens.

DoooooWhoop · 07/12/2023 11:56

She sounds great and going to be a natural leader. Kids come in all personalities, sounds like the nursery staff need more training.

DontGoGran · 07/12/2023 11:49

Thank you all, I feel more reassured. I just worry sometimes, especially as she's our first and I feel like I don't know what I'm doing half the time!

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BoohooWoohoo · 07/12/2023 10:50

She’s 2 so not going to be subtle with requests.

Remind her to use please and thank you. If she’s talking to someone like another child who’s clearly uncomfortable with her requests then rescue them. She’s only 2 so won’t get body language subtleties that show the other person would rather not do as she says.

Shopper727 · 07/12/2023 10:49

I wouldn’t be worrying at 2 she’s tiny and certainly not a brat honestly. She’s 2 to the poster who said have a word!?! They are learning to be people at this age, it’s nursery job as much as yours to guide in kind words, etc how will she know if parents and carers (nursery workers) don’t guide and teach her? Will she learn to be gentle, kind and share all by herself.
she sounds lovely op, don’t be emotional it’s normal development.

mintich · 07/12/2023 10:44

I used to get told that about my daughter. She's now a professional child actress, is on the school council and head of the choir.
Don't let them dull her shine to suit them!
Obviously if she is being bossy, mean etc you can deal with that but there are definitely some people that would rather kids didn't speak up, have opinions. It's good to have an assertive child. I wish I was!

RomeoandJomeo · 07/12/2023 10:40

DontGoGran · 06/12/2023 22:49

@SisterMichaelsHabit sorry to tag you twice, it won't let me edit my last post for some reason, but just to add that it did cross my mind whether there was a little bit of internalised misogyny going on and that if she were a little boy they'd be telling me she was 'boisterous' rather than the message which seemed to be coming across as 'bossy'.

I'll wait and see if they bring it up again and what they suggest.

I suspect you might be onto something here...

DontGoGran · 07/12/2023 10:36

ManateeFair · 07/12/2023 10:12

She has good language skills but she hasn't learned manners, basically. That's not unusual in a toddler and it's not insulting to draw attention to it. They're basically just saying that they have to remind her not to be overbearing/bossy towards other children. Lots of toddlers are like this. It's good that they're reminding her to speak kindly and consider others.

Thank you, yes I suppose you're right there. It's just a surprise because she almost always (although clearly not the last few days!) says please and thank you - we've had comments on how polite she is because she says bless you and excuse me! It's just a phase isn't it, we just need to keep reminding her. 👍🏻

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ManateeFair · 07/12/2023 10:12

She has good language skills but she hasn't learned manners, basically. That's not unusual in a toddler and it's not insulting to draw attention to it. They're basically just saying that they have to remind her not to be overbearing/bossy towards other children. Lots of toddlers are like this. It's good that they're reminding her to speak kindly and consider others.