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Worriedmumofteeenagers · 29/11/2023 11:54

Longstanding member. Changed username for this. My oldest son is 18. What would you do if your 18 year old son still at 6th form was acting in the way the very opposite to his upbringing and our way of life.

Think jewish family with relatives in Israel and he says he supports the Palestinian people (which is fine) and against the Israelis and they deserved 7th October and were mostly soldiers anyway. Who goes on and on about Israel doesn't have the right to exist and they stole it 75 years ago. Wants to go on propalistinian marches and sees nothing wrong with the chant from the rivers to the sea. Who denies its the Jewish homeland and talks the polar opposite to his family and upbringing. More than that talks down and critisizes others for not sharing his views and just goes on and on and on and on night after night making every around him feel miserable and treading on egg shells. Its such a sensitive subject I realise that. I rejoice in the temporary ceasefire but even now he hasn't stopped. I love him but I can't continue like this. Everyone in the family is under instructions not to mention the war but even so he will still bring it up over and over again

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Worriedmumofteeenagers · 29/11/2023 22:10

Precipice · 29/11/2023 22:01

Okay, so? The area was historically a Jewish homeland. Jews lived in Judea. After many centuries of dispersal by various conquerors, Jews have regained rule over their homeland.

Yes I say all that but I go round and round in circles. He says hasn't been their home for hundreds of years

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Thinkcentre23 · 29/11/2023 22:08

He’s allowed to hold alternative political views. He’s allowed to discuss them. What he isn’t allowed to do is make family life intolerable.

Worriedmumofteeenagers · 29/11/2023 22:05

Precipice · 29/11/2023 21:51

I think the bit about Israelis "deserving 7 October" is the horrifying part. Why does he think its acceptable for any armed force to rape women and parade their corpses naked in the streets? That's part of what he's saying was deserved.

He doesn't believe ut happened like that. He thinks mainstream media are lying

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Precipice · 29/11/2023 22:01

Worriedmumofteeenagers · 29/11/2023 21:42

He wants me to change my mind. He says explain why its the Jewish homeland without mentioning the torrah. And why are they entitled to live there without mentioning the Torrah. He says that books not relevant in modern times. I'll take a look at the link. Thank you

Okay, so? The area was historically a Jewish homeland. Jews lived in Judea. After many centuries of dispersal by various conquerors, Jews have regained rule over their homeland.

Precipice · 29/11/2023 21:51

I think the bit about Israelis "deserving 7 October" is the horrifying part. Why does he think its acceptable for any armed force to rape women and parade their corpses naked in the streets? That's part of what he's saying was deserved.

Worriedmumofteeenagers · 29/11/2023 21:42

grumpycow1 · 29/11/2023 21:37

https://www.un.org/unispal/history/ if he feels you are listening to him maybe he will lay off a bit? Maybe ask him what he wants you to do?

He wants me to change my mind. He says explain why its the Jewish homeland without mentioning the torrah. And why are they entitled to live there without mentioning the Torrah. He says that books not relevant in modern times. I'll take a look at the link. Thank you

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grumpycow1 · 29/11/2023 21:32

I think he needs to respect that you have different views but also it might help to try and see where he is coming from and check where he is getting his info from. Have you read up on the history of how Israel became a state, from independent sources, rather than what you were taught as a child etc? He may be feeling very conflicted about his identity/what’s going on and how to deal with that. I’d set boundaries about appropriate times to talk about it, but also rather than just always dismiss him try and learn something about why he is feeling this way too.

theduchessofspork · 29/11/2023 21:27

Worriedmumofteeenagers · 29/11/2023 21:11

Since dinner this evening he has done nothing but go on and on and on and on at us. I've tried to shut him done but he won't. He's been utterly unrelenting

Does he realise he’s distressing you?

Is your partner/his father support you.

Does he get an allowance and can you fine him every time he ignores your wishes?

I also think to need to blank him / leave the room.

it sounds so hard, but it might be helpful to explain what you have / haven’t done. Teens can be such buggers..

theduchessofspork · 29/11/2023 21:23

SeaToSki · 29/11/2023 12:56

You tell him that he can have his opinions but you arent going to discuss the topic under your roof any more. Its your house and your rules. Any time he brings it up, shut the conversation down immediately. If he refuses to stop ranting, then implement consequences (turn off the wifi etc) just like if he broke any other house rules

This

He is being a teenager, but if it’s at the point it’s distressing other people he needs to knock it off. You are entitled not to be berated in your own home.

Try to gradually work on helping him understand the world is a complex place, but the chances are he’ll get their on his own.

A lot of it will be peer pressure I suspect.

Worriedmumofteeenagers · 29/11/2023 21:11

Since dinner this evening he has done nothing but go on and on and on and on at us. I've tried to shut him done but he won't. He's been utterly unrelenting

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ginasevern · 29/11/2023 18:34

He's a teenager. If it wasn't Palestine it would be veganism or something else. All teenagers need a badge to wear. They are finding their own identity which usually means the exact opposite of their parents' beliefs and identities. There will also be (in many respects rightly) a lot of support for Palestine among his peers and he is desperate not to be the odd one out. Being the odd one out is identity suicide for a teenager, even though they all claim to be individualistic. I'm sorry he is ranting and making your lives miserable. I went through it with my son for different reasons. Leave him be and he will eventually find a level.

Worriedmumofteeenagers · 29/11/2023 17:58

SurelySmartie · 29/11/2023 17:55

What country does he expect Jews to live in the Middle East without serious risk of persecution? Anyway.
He is rebelling against you all which may be a normal part of growing up and separating. I think you have to basically remain neural and not rise to the bait. His view is oversimplified and immature but there’s no point arguing. It may not really be about Israel more about reacting against his family.

Europe like we do

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SurelySmartie · 29/11/2023 17:55

What country does he expect Jews to live in the Middle East without serious risk of persecution? Anyway.
He is rebelling against you all which may be a normal part of growing up and separating. I think you have to basically remain neural and not rise to the bait. His view is oversimplified and immature but there’s no point arguing. It may not really be about Israel more about reacting against his family.

Worriedmumofteeenagers · 29/11/2023 17:47

Quickquestion10 · 29/11/2023 17:32

His view isn't unreasonable but of course he's being unreasonable to keep bringing it up when you feel so differently.

I would focus on explaining how this is affecting family relationships. Perhaps there's a group he could join where he can express himself.

He may be struggling with the atrocities happening in Gaza and genuinely having a bit of an identity crisis.

To be honest I struggle with the atrocities. I believe that the need for justice went too far and I felt they should stop and pause the fighting I am pleased its paused. I have told him this. I also don't believe Israel are always right in everything. I have told him this too. But his response was they are never right in anything and shouldn't even exist as a country because they stole land. And comparing them to nazis to my mind is just too far. I want Israel and all the peoples of the middle east to be able to live in peace. Israeli and Palestinian. Jews and Arabs

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Ghentsummer · 29/11/2023 17:46

Does he realise children were killed during the Hamas attacks on Israel? Because if he thinks children could possible have done anything to deserve being murdered then he's an utter shit.

Quickquestion10 · 29/11/2023 17:32

His view isn't unreasonable but of course he's being unreasonable to keep bringing it up when you feel so differently.

I would focus on explaining how this is affecting family relationships. Perhaps there's a group he could join where he can express himself.

He may be struggling with the atrocities happening in Gaza and genuinely having a bit of an identity crisis.

Worriedmumofteeenagers · 29/11/2023 17:29

Laiste · 29/11/2023 16:15

Without wishing to seem to trivialise this, imagine he's constantly banging on about veganism. Lecturing and posturing over every meal and trying to rile the family up for an argument about eating meat every night.

What would you do to shut him up?

Do the same thing for this.

I think the sensitivity of the subject is, understandably, clouding your basic parenting instincts.

Great advice. Thank you. So far so good this evening

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Laiste · 29/11/2023 16:15

Without wishing to seem to trivialise this, imagine he's constantly banging on about veganism. Lecturing and posturing over every meal and trying to rile the family up for an argument about eating meat every night.

What would you do to shut him up?

Do the same thing for this.

I think the sensitivity of the subject is, understandably, clouding your basic parenting instincts.

Worriedmumofteeenagers · 29/11/2023 16:03

Thanks to everyone who has been kind on this post. Wanting ALL who live in the region to be able to live in peace without fear of attacks and kidnapping is not abhorrent. I am sorry that you think it is neonsoda 😕

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Onceuponaheartache · 29/11/2023 13:20

NeonSoda · 29/11/2023 12:53

Here’s the thing though. We don’t have to respect other people’s views. I don’t respect people with misogynistic views, or racist views, or the views of those who think abortion is a sin, or who think animal torture is fine.

We also shouldn’t be teaching future generations that we should respect other people’s views even when they’re abhorrent.

You do have to respect their right to have them however. As I said you don't have to agree with them, but we lice in a democratic society with freedom of belief, therefore you do have to respect that they are entitled to those beliefs and opinions.

QueenoftheNimbleFlyingCat · 29/11/2023 13:03

NeonSoda · 29/11/2023 12:53

Here’s the thing though. We don’t have to respect other people’s views. I don’t respect people with misogynistic views, or racist views, or the views of those who think abortion is a sin, or who think animal torture is fine.

We also shouldn’t be teaching future generations that we should respect other people’s views even when they’re abhorrent.

Whilst I agree in the fact that we don't have to respect the person or opinio, I respect the fundamental right for someone to hold opposing opinions to mine, even if they are abhorrent.

Ohtobetwentytwo · 29/11/2023 13:02

Set the boundary as others have said and when he starts on it again start singing and dancing or put your headphones on.

At its root this is about addressing a behaviour (talking over you when you've set a boundary) rather than the topic. All kids think they know it all.

CaineRaine · 29/11/2023 12:59

SeaToSki · 29/11/2023 12:56

You tell him that he can have his opinions but you arent going to discuss the topic under your roof any more. Its your house and your rules. Any time he brings it up, shut the conversation down immediately. If he refuses to stop ranting, then implement consequences (turn off the wifi etc) just like if he broke any other house rules

I agree with this. Taking out the topic that is causing the issue as that is arguably irrelevant on some level, he is an adult living in your house and he needs to respect that. If he’s behaving in any way that is upsetting, distressing etc and won’t moderate his behaviour, you would treat it as any other breach of what you find a acceptable.

SeaToSki · 29/11/2023 12:56

You tell him that he can have his opinions but you arent going to discuss the topic under your roof any more. Its your house and your rules. Any time he brings it up, shut the conversation down immediately. If he refuses to stop ranting, then implement consequences (turn off the wifi etc) just like if he broke any other house rules

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